Miscellaneous Notes...

[David1819]

So why would he think in the big plan that everyone would not be suspicious right from the start?

1. Being 25 years old people make stupid decisions
2. Hated his family so much he was prepared to take the risk

[Jan]

1. Being 25 years old people make stupid decisions
2. Hated his family so much he was prepared to take the risk

I would imagine he would have been convinced it was risk free- otherwise life imprisonment is not worth the money - especially as he was not badly off anyway .

[Jan]

Does anyone know why the family would have the power to make sure he was categorised as  the worst type of prisoner when he was to be moved?

[lookout]

I think they'd complained to EP about letting the family down if JB had been downgraded. They'd spun a tale about fearing for their lives,etc etc. RWB was alive at the time and had led the fight. I believe he'd sent EP a stiff letter of complaint.

[Jan]

hmmmm - wonder if they had more influence than just that ? Just a thought.

[lookout]

 A possible visit to their local MP too,I 'd imagine.

[lookout]

Yet another murder and an attempted suicide by a mother in Florida. A register had been signed to say that due to the mother's past history of attempted suicides,drug abuse,possible child neglect,troubled history,and latterly the break up of a partner------------the case had been closed by our equivalent of social services !!? Yet the g/mother stated that the mother had a history of attempted suicide.

The mother had murdered her 3 beautiful children by strangulation.
The motive for the murder and attempted suicide isn't known. What ? The woman was known to the cops.

The children's ages were 7,6 and 5 months. The mother is having counselling for mental illness.

[Alias]

Yet another murder and an attempted suicide by a mother in Florida. A register had been signed to say that due to the mother's past history of attempted suicides,drug abuse,possible child neglect,troubled history,and latterly the break up of a partner------------the case had been closed by our equivalent of social services !!? Yet the g/mother stated that the mother had a history of attempted suicide.

The mother had murdered her 3 beautiful children by strangulation.
The motive for the murder and attempted suicide isn't known. What ? The woman was known to the cops.

The children's ages were 7,6 and 5 months. The mother is having counselling for mental illness.

A bit late that! Sad. 

[Steve_uk]

I don't think we've even begun to understand the workings of the human brain.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007813/Deranged-Florida-mother-sole-survivor-botched-murder-suicide-5-month-old-baby-boy-dies-three-days-brother-sister-s-revealed-left-note-saying-sorry-do.html

It reminds me a bit of the Lianne Smith case.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161522/Mother-Lianne-Smith-killed-children-normal-happy-fell-spell-TV-psychic.html

[lookout]

A bit late that! Sad. 

This is happening all too often. These mothers are being " lost " in a failed system. Most professionals aren't recognising signs,and are also ignoring information given to them.

Why didn't Dr Ferguson show the concern he must have had ? He too ignored the signs.

[lookout]

Why are ALL these women who kill their children, often stated as NOT BEING A RISK ??

[Jane]

Why are ALL these women who kill their children, often stated as NOT BEING A RISK ??

"ALL these women" out of how many stated as "NOT BEING AT RISK" who DON'T kill their children? Until we know what the stats are assessments can't be made. Nothing is EVER perfect and whilst we probably don't want to accept it, it MAY be that the answer falls within the bounds of what is considered to be acceptable.

[lookout]

A severely mentally ill patient WILL kill children/parents during a psychotic event where their beliefs are irrational and bizarre ( as in Sheila's mention of sex by her twins ) see each member as being the " devil ". This is more likely to happen when medication has been missed.As in Sheila's case,she could have " heard " the voice of God commanding her to carry out the murders.
There is usually a long-standing disorder including depression as well as psychosis and the DANGER being,when medication has been stopped as that's when they're more likely to kill.

[Jane]

A severely mentally ill patient WILL kill children/parents during a psychotic event where their beliefs are irrational and bizarre ( as in Sheila's mention of sex by her twins ) see each member as being the " devil ". This is more likely to happen when medication has been missed.As in Sheila's case,she could have " heard " the voice of God commanding her to carry out the murders.
There is usually a long-standing disorder including depression as well as psychosis and the DANGER being,when medication has been stopped as that's when they're more likely to kill.

As with the perfect storm it requires all necessary components to come together. Those suffering from depression are generally considered to be in greater danger when medication lifts them OUT of the lethargy which can deny them the energy to commit suicide. In Sheila's case, as she wasn't under section, there was no way in which she could be forced to remain in a private hospital until her meds were stabilized. COULD that have been a reason,  IF she was over medicated when she left, that more was considered safer than less?

[lookout]

As with the perfect storm it requires all necessary components to come together. Those suffering from depression are generally considered to be in greater danger when medication lifts them OUT of the lethargy which can deny them the energy to commit suicide. In Sheila's case, as she wasn't under section, there was no way in which she could be forced to remain in a private hospital until her meds were stabilized. COULD that have been a reason,  IF she was over medicated when she left, that more was considered safer than less?

Whatever medication one takes for a certain condition then who suddenly stops taking it, the condition for which it was meant,returns with a vengeance. It's a dangerous practice and should be done gradually by reducing the amount as the patient improves. This goes for most prescription medication.
Because Sheila had her injection reduced on HER terms,and by not having taken her other vital medication,she knew what she was going to do and was fully prepared in her mind,as well as being in full control of her imminent actions.