Miscellaneous Notes...

[lookout]

He's not the one bleating on about it, why don't you find the claim, Lookout. I'd be interested in seeing it.

Aww,Adam's little helper.How nice.

I don't remember asking you ? But don't fret,it's on this forum somewhere.

[Adam]

Aww,Adam's little helper.How nice.

I don't remember asking you ? But don't fret,it's on this forum somewhere.

A man heard shots in a remote farmhouse, at 3am. Although the walls are thick. The source is 'somewhere on the forum'.

Lookout, I'm now considering changing stance.

[Jane]

Aww,Adam's little helper.How nice.

I don't remember asking you ? But don't fret,it's on this forum somewhere.

That aside, Lookout, it WOULD be interesting to see and I haven't a CLUE where to start looking for it  because I don't recall having previously seen it, so if you COULD locate it.....................PLEEEEEEZE 

[guest2181]

I've been bitten far too many times searching the archives for something that ended up not existing or had been read in a book. I do remember this being mentioned, sort of. But I don't ever remember a statement so would be happy to read it if it is provided.

This dog walker has been mentioned a few times in the past, with people even claiming that they made a statement.

I've never seen any proof, and when challenged nobody can provide any.

It appears to be made up nonsense,  but I'd be happy to be shown otherwise.

[guest2181]

....... And YES,the dog walker made a statement that he heard gun shots coming from the vicinity of whf. ......

As an example.

[guest2181]

We don't know for sure who if anyone did fire a shot at that time,but a neighbour walking his dog did hear a report from a firearm late that night. Nevill was also in the habit of taking an evening walk with the dog I believe.

Steve, I believe the distance quoted was, in words to the effect of "one mile away in the vicinity of WHF"

Further examples.

[lookout]

That aside, Lookout, it WOULD be interesting to see and I haven't a CLUE where to start looking for it  because I don't recall having previously seen it, so if you COULD locate it.....................PLEEEEEEZE 

I'm searching really hard April,believe me. I actually saw it earlier on,on the forum and never thought to hang on to it after raising the question. It's remembering where I saw it.

[guest2181]

And then this 'appears' to be the source.

I received information about the shotgun blast overheard by the witness Smith which he reportedly heard / reported coming from the general vicinity of whf between 9:30 and 10:15pm, on evening 6th August 1985.Apparently Smith told police that th shotgun blast had been discharged outside the farmhouse, not inside. This would have been at the time Ralph walked his dogs. Anyway, police looked into the possibility that Ralph could have been confronted by someone and that he had fired off a shot with the 12 bore. Police received information that an estate car with ladders on its roof was seen travelling up Pages Lane around the time of the shotgun blast. Police search the grounds for any spent shotgun cases but did not find any - the only spent cartridge caze case found at the scene was a solitary Raker shotgun cartridge found inside the same box as the silencer, anshulz rifles metal end cap in the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. Police had found a shotgun downstairs at the scene which Ralph  normally kept loaded under his bed - when police found this gun at the scene it still had a spent RAKER cartridge in its barrel. Peter Eaton took the spent cartridge out of the guns barrel and concealed it in the same box David Boutflour found the silencer in on the following day. He also put the aforementioned shotgun back in there...

Police searched gun cupboard on 7th August and there was no silencer present. Keys to whf were handed to Eatons on evening on 9th August, and Peter Eaton put shotgun and spent cartridge case in the gun cupboard - more importantly, he placed spent RAKER shotgun cartridge in same box sikencer was didcovered on the following day by David Boutflour...

This activity was not knpwn about by anybody else other than the relatives...

[Adam]

And then this 'appears' to be the source.

Thank you.

So Mike posted it. But did not give a source.

[lookout]

As an example.

Ah,that might be what I saw,and coming from tyler,it has to be Kosher.

[guest2181]

Here's more, but not the proof we are all yearning for. 

Key Evidence which was Kept from Jeremy Bamber, his Legal team, and the court

What I am about to divulge, had the potential to alter the outcome of the juries verdict in this case -

(1) Essex police took a close Interest in a 12 bore shotgun, which they recovered from the gun cupboard in the downstairs office

Go to the following link to view the 12 bore shotgun which Essex police took a close interest in:-

(a) http://www.flickr.com/photos/miketeskowski/5281345418/

(2) this 12 bore shotgun, was checked for fingerprints, and found to contain the fingerprints of Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell...

(3) Essex seized a spent RAKER 12 bore cartridge case from the scene

(4) A Local Resident, Mr Smith, told the police that on the evening before the shootings, that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of whf

It now seems certain, that as part of the original investigation which was carried out under SC/688/85, Essex police were aware of a struggle which had taken place between, Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, where the shotgun may have been discharged in the kitchen at whf, at sometime between 10:15 and 10:30pm, on the evening of 6th August, 1985...

An Officers Report, may exist that deals with this incident, in which the police officer concludes that this event was part of the build up, which led to the shootings of the five victims inside whf which unraveled during the morning of 7th August 1985...

Although the local resident, Mr Smith, made a witness statement, detailing that he had heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of the farm late on the evening of 6th August 1985, this statement was not disclosed to Jeremy Bamber, or his legal team, or brought to the attention of the jury at his trial...

[Caroline]

Here's more, but not the proof we are all yearning for. 

Either someone has a bad memory or the times of the shots keep changing. If he made a statement, how can the times be wrong?? 

[guest2181]

More, a full name this time:

There are indications in the evidence of a Steven Brian Smith of 23 Tollesbury Road who heard " gunshot sounds " at a time when it was conceded that Jeremy Bamber was not at the Farm.Police haven't disclosed this information either.

[guest2181]

It appears that Lookout copied the above quote from this website:


youknowwhokilledyoudontyou.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/innocent-man-part-11.html?m=1

[lookout]

Thankyou very much for those,Hartley. I knew I wasn't going senile---------------yet.