Miscellaneous Notes...

[Jane]

I'm going to quote from the Independent,Pat Crimes------The Bamber Files-Crime-UK.

" Upstairs,they found his wife June,shot seven times,initially in bed.She had been finished off with two shots to the head,one between the eyes,as she attempted to escape. Mr Arlidge underlined the tragedy with pregnant pauses as he outlined how the twins had been murdered as they slept in their beds,both shot in the head at close range.  In the same room as June, police found Sheila Caffell,lying on the bed with a Bible and a .22 Anschutz semi-automatic rifle ling on her,the barrel pointing towards her head."

Aww Lookout, I really don't think you need me to tell you that EVERY publication from the "Times" to the "Daily Star" thought all their birthdays and Christmas's had arrived and proceeded to make literary licence and capital from it. I wouldn't mind betting that not ONE told the undiluted truth.

[lookout]

Aww Lookout, I really don't think you need me to tell you that EVERY publication from the "Times" to the "Daily Star" thought all their birthdays and Christmas's had arrived and proceeded to make literary licence and capital from it. I wouldn't mind betting that not ONE told the undiluted truth.

I know,April,and it also depends on a person's preference which publication they read,which to some,is nearer the truth than others.
My dilemma is that with all publications being different in their reporting,where did they get this news from to start with ?
Really and truthfully the amount of publications over the course of this crime can be taken as ALL wrong,which in turn makes ALL links/info,etc wrong too because the majority came from the media.So it only leaves us with ( God forbid ) " having to trust EP " who were the ONLY ones who were privy to what did happen,and its findings,and I know in part,they were wrong too. It's like a stale-mate,so it's no wonder that Jeremy is kept busy getting past this lot.

[Jane]

I know,April,and it also depends on a person's preference which publication they read,which to some,is nearer the truth than others.
My dilemma is that with all publications being different in their reporting,where did they get this news from to start with ?
Really and truthfully the amount of publications over the course of this crime can be taken as ALL wrong,which in turn makes ALL links/info,etc wrong too because the majority came from the media.So it only leaves us with ( God forbid ) " having to trust EP " who were the ONLY ones who were privy to what did happen,and its findings,and I know in part,they were wrong too. It's like a stale-mate,so it's no wonder that Jeremy is kept busy getting past this lot.

It could simply be a case of poor shorthand, Lookout.

[scipio_usmc]

I know,April,and it also depends on a person's preference which publication they read,which to some,is nearer the truth than others.
My dilemma is that with all publications being different in their reporting,where did they get this news from to start with ?
Really and truthfully the amount of publications over the course of this crime can be taken as ALL wrong,which in turn makes ALL links/info,etc wrong too because the majority came from the media.So it only leaves us with ( God forbid ) " having to trust EP " who were the ONLY ones who were privy to what did happen,and its findings,and I know in part,they were wrong too. It's like a stale-mate,so it's no wonder that Jeremy is kept busy getting past this lot.

1) reporters are in a rush to get their story to print first.  This means they don't take the time to make sure everything they post is fully accurate

2) reporters often make mistakes both in memory and by misconstruing what they are told.  They also often make assumptions.

3) Reporters are often misinformed.

4) reporters are not experts and thus often are poor judges of evaluating what they print

This is why news articles are not reliable sources for facts. 

In some instances reporters actually make things up.  one reporter made up a story about how there were DEA agents outside of a house while murders were committed and how they witnessed the killer leaving the house to dispose of evidence...  He made this up many years after the murders. They want attention and thus make up sensational things. 

[Jane]

1) reporters are in a rush to get their story to print first.  This means they don't take the time to make sure everything they post is fully accurate

2) reporters often make mistakes both in memory and by misconstruing what they are told.  They also often make assumptions.

3) Reporters are often misinformed.

4) reporters are not experts and thus often are poor judges of evaluating what they print

This is why news articles are not reliable sources for facts. 

In some instances reporters actually make things up.  one reporter made up a story about how there were DEA agents outside of a house while murders were committed and how they witnessed the killer leaving the house to dispose of evidence...  He made this up many years after the murders. They want attention and thus make up sensational things.

And the culmination of all those facts WON'T mean a guilty person is innocent.

[scipio_usmc]

And the culmination of all those facts WON'T mean a guilty person is innocent.

All they mean is to be leery of relying on news sources instead of doing independent research.  New sources are best to get background so you can then do your own research.

 

[lookout]

In a thread on here,dated July 20th 2011,there's a heading called "Logs and Docs.re incident 7/8/85 ".

Contained in one of the logs is a piece written in a notebook,

08.10-- House now been thoroughly searched by Firearms Team. Now confirmed a further 3 bodies found----5 dead in total ( info from Duty Inspector HQ1R )

[scipio_usmc]

In a thread on here,dated July 20th 2011,there's a heading called "Logs and Docs.re incident 7/8/85 ".

Contained in one of the logs is a piece written in a notebook,

08.10-- House now been thoroughly searched by Firearms Team. Now confirmed a further 3 bodies found----5 dead in total ( info from Duty Inspector HQ1R )

Which refers to Sheila and the boys.

Nevill was found right away.  June was found next, they could see her body while using a mirror as a periscope.  Sheila was found third when they finally went in the bedroom and walked around to the other side of the bed.  The boys were found last.

[lookout]

Who was the dog-walker who'd heard shots coming from the direction of WHF on the night of the tragedies ? Apparently he gave a statement saying what he'd heard. We haven't had many details of what time the shot/s were fired,or have we ?
Was Jeremy ever questioned where he was in conjunction to the time of the shots ? Not that I'm aware of.

[lookout]

Let's not lose this " mystery " underneath the threads marked " Adam " seeing as he's keen to stick to his own and to overtake other more interesting threads.

[lookout]

If you want something to do,Adam,find out about the dog-walker who'd heard shots coming from WHF the night of the murders. Or doesn't it fit your way of thinking ?
The guy made a statement.

[lookout]

Adam,instead of by-passing my question and hoping it sinks to the bottom of the pile,how about finding out about who this person was and why the matter was pushed to one side.
Your questions are made easy simply because you're acting as prosecutor to a case as far as you're concerned is cut and dried.

[guest154]

He's not the one bleating on about it, why don't you find the claim, Lookout. I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Adam]

If you want something to do,Adam,find out about the dog-walker who'd heard shots coming from WHF the night of the murders. Or doesn't it fit your way of thinking ?
The guy made a statement.

Can you provide the source for this please. It will be a good thing to discuss.

Thank you.

[guest154]

Can you provide the source for this please. It will be a good thing to discuss.

Thank you.

I've been bitten far too many times searching the archives for something that ended up not existing or had been read in a book. I do remember this being mentioned, sort of. But I don't ever remember a statement so would be happy to read it if it is provided.