Miscellaneous Notes...

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This image helps demonstrate the difference between bullet abrasion collars when the bullet entered straight versus at an angle.

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I think people will find this of interest:

"When a bullet hits the skin surface, it causes indentation before perforation. Following perforation, elasticity causes the skin to recoil, and the resulting round, circular defect is of a slightly smaller diameter to that of the bullet. An accurate estimation of the calibre size cannot therefore be made from measuring the radius of the wound, unlike in the movies!
 
The mechanical passage of the bullet through the skin causes abrasion, and the circular defect is lined by a rim of abrasion – the abrasion ‘collar’. This tends to dry out like all abrasions, and may be easier to discern with the passage of time (more useful to pathologists).
 
Lead alloy based bullets and ‘dirty’ bullets may also leave a greasy rim (‘bullet wipe’) around the entrance defect (Besant-Matthews 2000, DiMaio 1999, Dana and DiMaio 2003)."

http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/wounds/firearms/gunshot-wounds-rifled-weapons/

Some might find other things posted on the site of interest as well but I will leave it up to those interested to read it all instead of copying everything.

[Caroline]

So what's wrong in having been precise about what Jeremy did with the rifle,etc ? Wouldn't it have been said in all honesty,as he was obviously concentrating more on that than listening intensely to something that he'd probably heard a dozen times. ?
He could have lied and said he'd put everything back into the cupboard as nobody would have been any the wiser.

He said the discussion was going on while he was eating too - while he was in the room but he is very short on details. He didn't have to mention the rifle at all, but it formed part of the alleged convo he later states happened in the phone call - it all sets a scene.

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He said the discussion was going on while he was eating too - while he was in the room but he is very short on details. He didn't have to mention the rifle at all, but it formed part of the alleged convo he later states happened in the phone call - it all sets a scene.

Since the convo is the alleged motivation for Sheila to commit the crime he should have been interested in providing more details.  Who knows if the convo happened a different time than when he claims it did. Speaking to her aunt in a calm manner shortly after prevented him from claiming she got to upset at the time though.  Since the convo was about part time fostering not actually forcing her to give up the kids that is why he didn't go into much detail. A more detailed look reveals she would not be bothered by it. 

He knew that was insufficient to convince Colin so he lied and told Colin that  they were going to have her give up custody.  That stuck in his mind because his permission would be needed to give custody to someone else and he felt they had no right to do that. If he told that lie to police it would have unraveled so he provided little detail about the actual substance of the discussion. 

 

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People are very quiet about Fowler now....

[lookout]

 I wonder if it's because Fowler was right about marks made on the skin/s of the deceased were marks from the end of the muzzle and NOT a silencer.

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I wonder if it's because Fowler was right about marks made on the skin/s of the deceased were marks from the end of the muzzle and NOT a silencer.

No the quiet is because I have demonstrated Fowler had no basis for the speculation he engaged in and people would rather not discuss it further.

[lookout]

No the quiet is because I have demonstrated Fowler had no basis for the speculation he engaged in and people would rather not discuss it further.

How did I know you'd take the opposing view ?

[lookout]

Among the exhibits are the following newspaper reports :

Evening Gazette-19.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped in a pool of blood by the telephone.Twins upstairs in one bedroom shot as they slept. Mrs Bamber in Master bedroom lying in a pool of blood.Sheila near to Mrs Bamber and had shot herself in the head with 20 shot rifle laying between her and her mother.

The Star-11.9.85,
Mr Bamber found in the kitchen.Twins dead in bed.Sheila and Mrs Bamber slumped together in main bedroom.

Maldon and Burnham Standard-12.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped in chair.Mrs Bamber and Sheila in a bedroom with gun lying between them.Twins dead in their bed.

Sunday Express-15.9.85,
Sheila and Mother found in same bedroom.Mr Bamber found sitting in the Hall. Twins found in separate beds in another room.

Daily Mirror-17.9.85,
Twins shot dead while in their beds.

Evening Echo-18.9.85,Mrs Bamber found on a bed in an upstairs room, with bloodstained handmarks on her body showing she was moved.

Daily Mail-20.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped forward in Hall.Mrs Bamber and Sheila in another room.Twins in bedroom.

Sunday Observer-22.9.85,
Twins shot while asleep.Mrs Bamber found in room nearby.Mr Bamber found in the Hallway.

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Among the exhibits are the following newspaper reports :

Evening Gazette-19.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped in a pool of blood by the telephone.Twins upstairs in one bedroom shot as they slept. Mrs Bamber in Master bedroom lying in a pool of blood.Sheila near to Mrs Bamber and had shot herself in the head with 20 shot rifle laying between her and her mother.

The Star-11.9.85,
Mr Bamber found in the kitchen.Twins dead in bed.Sheila and Mrs Bamber slumped together in main bedroom.

Maldon and Burnham Standard-12.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped in chair.Mrs Bamber and Sheila in a bedroom with gun lying between them.Twins dead in their bed.

Sunday Express-15.9.85,
Sheila and Mother found in same bedroom.Mr Bamber found sitting in the Hall. Twins found in separate beds in another room.

Daily Mirror-17.9.85,
Twins shot dead while in their beds.

Evening Echo-18.9.85,Mrs Bamber found on a bed in an upstairs room, with bloodstained handmarks on her body showing she was moved.

Daily Mail-20.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped forward in Hall.Mrs Bamber and Sheila in another room.Twins in bedroom.

Sunday Observer-22.9.85,
Twins shot while asleep.Mrs Bamber found in room nearby.Mr Bamber found in the Hallway.

Reporters getting details wrong is of little use.

[lookout]

Hall had been written 4 times,which paints a very distressing picture if this was found to be true,as it tells me that the poor man was making his way to the front door.

Where's Adam who believes everything that's written down ? A lot of what people know,or knew about the case, has been gleaned from the press,so just these few newspaper reports all differ in some way,hence why the case is misleading.

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Hall had been written 4 times,which paints a very distressing picture if this was found to be true,as it tells me that the poor man was making his way to the front door.

Where's Adam who believes everything that's written down ? A lot of what people know,or knew about the case, has been gleaned from the press,so just these few newspaper reports all differ in some way,hence why the case is misleading.

The testimony of all who went in the house as well as the photos show his body in the kitchen.  He went into the kitchen either planning to try to go out the kitchen door, planning to get a weapon or to try to subdue the killer and prevent the killer from reloading.

[lookout]

 Which brings me to the way in which the press handled the case as a whole from beginning to end. They're NOT to be believed and hampered the case in such a way as to sway ( successfully ) towards the public and as a consequence,the prosecution too. It all had a knock-on effect.

[lookout]

Among the exhibits are the following newspaper reports :

Evening Gazette-19.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped in a pool of blood by the telephone.Twins upstairs in one bedroom shot as they slept. Mrs Bamber in Master bedroom lying in a pool of blood.Sheila near to Mrs Bamber and had shot herself in the head with 20 shot rifle laying between her and her mother.

The Star-11.9.85,
Mr Bamber found in the kitchen.Twins dead in bed.Sheila and Mrs Bamber slumped together in main bedroom.

Maldon and Burnham Standard-12.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped in chair.Mrs Bamber and Sheila in a bedroom with gun lying between them.Twins dead in their bed.

Sunday Express-15.9.85,
Sheila and Mother found in same bedroom.Mr Bamber found sitting in the Hall. Twins found in separate beds in another room.

Daily Mirror-17.9.85,
Twins shot dead while in their beds.

Evening Echo-18.9.85,Mrs Bamber found on a bed in an upstairs room, with bloodstained handmarks on her body showing she was moved.

Daily Mail-20.9.85,
Mr Bamber slumped forward in Hall.Mrs Bamber and Sheila in another room.Twins in bedroom.

Sunday Observer-22.9.85,
Twins shot while asleep.Mrs Bamber found in room nearby.Mr Bamber found in the Hallway.

Evening Echo-18.9.85,Mrs Bamber found on a bed in an upstairs room, with bloodstained handmarks on her body showing she was moved.??

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Evening Echo-18.9.85,Mrs Bamber found on a bed in an upstairs room, with bloodstained handmarks on her body showing she was moved.??

I can't see something like this having been printed without prior knowledge ?

I can go along with that because of June's position by the door having been first in a sitting position against the bedroom door,using it for support. Slightly up the door,are " brushed " blood stains which appear that she was propped up before being found flat on the floor.
This can't happen. If the woman had died leaning against the door,she'd have slumped sideways,and not splayed out like the photograph shows.
Yes,the poor woman would have been placed in the position where she was found.