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« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2015, 05:54:PM »
If you read all the pages from start to finish,you'll see many discrepancies and made-up versions of what did or didn't take place.How AE could have known Sheila or anything about her I fail to see as they didn't see each other from one year to the next,if that.
AE had said Jeremy was making up the fact that fostering was mentioned,so it's quite clear to me that the woman believed what SHE wanted to believe.

You are trying to change the subject.  You said that other family members taught Sheila to shoot and look her shooting.  I noted that the people in question denied such and challenged you to posted evidence. You said AE statement admitted such.  I produced the parts of her statement that speak to the issues- she didn't admit such she recounted allegations made by Jeremy which she made clear she didn't believe. So beyond Jeremy's allegations you have nothing to support your claims and he didn't repeat those allegations in his written statement.  Since police were willing to accept she learned how ot use the gun as he loaded it in the kitchen there was no need for him to lie about someone teaching her- indeed such lies would be harmful because police could find out he was lying.  The police in question didn't use guns so were totally ignorant of the fact Sheila would need to be taught how to chamber a round etc. 
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« Reply #136 on: February 13, 2015, 06:00:PM »
You are trying to change the subject.  You said that other family members taught Sheila to shoot and look her shooting.  I noted that the people in question denied such and challenged you to posted evidence. You said AE statement admitted such.  I produced the parts of her statement that speak to the issues- she didn't admit such she recounted allegations made by Jeremy which she made clear she didn't believe. So beyond Jeremy's allegations you have nothing to support your claims and he didn't repeat those allegations in his written statement.  Since police were willing to accept she learned how ot use the gun as he loaded it in the kitchen there was no need for him to lie about someone teaching her- indeed such lies would be harmful because police could find out he was lying.  The police in question didn't use guns so were totally ignorant of the fact Sheila would need to be taught how to chamber a round etc.






I'm telling you that I've read that DB taught Sheila how to shoot,years before the massacre. She was born and brought up on a farm surrounded by guns of all kinds. Sheila KNEW how to shoot and had been to a few shoots herself.
It's not my fault if you only read biased information to suit YOUR way of thinking.

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« Reply #137 on: February 13, 2015, 06:23:PM »
I'm telling you that I've read that DB taught Sheila how to shoot,years before the massacre. She was born and brought up on a farm surrounded by guns of all kinds. Sheila KNEW how to shoot and had been to a few shoots herself.
It's not my fault if you only read biased information to suit YOUR way of thinking.

The one reading biased information is you.  You read accounts from books which don't proved any evidence while I go the sources. Only DB would know for sure whether he taught Sheila to shoot unless someone else were present.  There are no witnesses who claim they saw DB teach her to shoot nor doe she claim he did. 

Secondary evidence would be a claim he told someone he taught her to shoot which would set the stage for him saying the person was lying or misunderstood and then it comes to credibility.  There are no witnesses who say he told them he taught Sheila to shoot nor are there any witnesses who say Sheila told them DB taught her to shoot.

If you were not biased beyond all reason and actually objective like you claim to be then you would look for witness statement to events and not make claims unless there were a credible witness who says they witnessed what you are asserting.

You have no witnesses though who saw DB teach her or a witness told by DB or Sheila that DB taught her.  That is the only evidence that could be brought to bear and thus where a rational objective party would look. 

As a practical matter being taught how to use a double barrel shotgun would not enable someone to know how to use the murder weapon because they function differently. So even if DB had taught her to shoot a shotgun it would still mean little but there is no evidence that supports your claims.  You are the one being biased and closing your eyes to the truth not me.
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« Reply #138 on: February 13, 2015, 06:40:PM »
Most people get a good deal of knowledge about their parents´ occupation and tools of their trade.
My father was a civil engineer, I am not a civil engineer. Even though my father died when I was a small child, I have seen his work, I have some of his drawings and tools. I know a bit about civil engineering and about how to use the tools.
I bet that Sheila knew more about tractors and guns than I do. My father was not a farmer.
More than that: since when is it rocket science to load a rifle, to aim and fire it at someone? Sheila had bright forefathers, she was probably a bright person.

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« Reply #139 on: February 13, 2015, 06:47:PM »
Most people get a good deal of knowledge about their parents´ occupation and tools of their trade.
My father was a civil engineer, I am not a civil engineer. Even though my father died when I was a small child, I have seen his work, I have some of his drawings and tools. I know a bit about civil engineering and about how to use the tools.
I bet that Sheila knew more about tractors and guns than I do. My father was not a farmer.
More than that: since when is it rocket science to load a rifle, to aim and fire it at someone? Sheila had bright forefathers, she was probably a bright person.

unless people take an interest in their parent's work they will not know much about what they do.  What he did on the farm didn't involve guns though it was mainly a hobby for him.  He occasionally got rid of vermin with 410s but Sheila took no interest in guns so why would she know about them?  Those who don't want to face Jeremy's guilt simply assume Sheila would have to know about guns ignoring all the evidence that she didn't because it harms their agenda. 

The same mentality is used to look away at all evidence especially the physical evidence that proves someone else shot everyone else and the physical evidence that proves Sheila didn't shoot herself.

The amusing this is when such biased people try pretending they are the objective ones and the people objectively reading the facts are biased against Jeremy. 
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« Reply #140 on: February 13, 2015, 07:07:PM »
unless people take an interest in their parent's work they will not know much about what they do.  What he did on the farm didn't involve guns though it was mainly a hobby for him.  He occasionally got rid of vermin with 410s but Sheila took no interest in guns so why would she know about them?  Those who don't want to face Jeremy's guilt simply assume Sheila would have to know about guns ignoring all the evidence that she didn't because it harms their agenda. 

The same mentality is used to look away at all evidence especially the physical evidence that proves someone else shot everyone else and the physical evidence that proves Sheila didn't shoot herself.

The amusing this is when such biased people try pretending they are the objective ones and the people objectively reading the facts are biased against Jeremy.

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« Reply #141 on: February 13, 2015, 07:22:PM »
Good job I don't have bunions. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #142 on: February 13, 2015, 07:40:PM »
Good job I don't have bunions. ;D ;D ;D ;D

She might cut off more than just bunions anyway. Her father's skills do not necessarily relate to her. I would want to know she was trained to use it and has done so successfully before if I had bunions and were going to consider taking her up on the offer. I would not go to the son of a mohel and say well your dad is qualified so here hack my kid. Might end up like Jerry Seinfeld when he got his finger circumsized.

 
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« Reply #143 on: February 13, 2015, 08:02:PM »
She might cut off more than just bunions anyway. Her father's skills do not necessarily relate to her. I would want to know she was trained to use it and has done so successfully before if I had bunions and were going to consider taking her up on the offer. I would not go to the son of a mohel and say well your dad is qualified so here hack my kid. Might end up like Jerry Seinfeld when he got his finger circumsized.





What was Jerry Seinfeld in jail for ?

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« Reply #144 on: February 13, 2015, 08:09:PM »




What was Jerry Seinfeld in jail for ?

Lookout, this must be a trick question!  ;D

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« Reply #145 on: February 13, 2015, 09:11:PM »
Jeremy's initial account to police was he taught her how to use the murder weapon and she had fired it and all the weapons in the house.
Where do I find this assertion that Jeremy said initially that he taught her (Sheila) how to use the murder weapon? I don't recall reading that in any police statement.

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« Reply #146 on: February 13, 2015, 09:34:PM »
Lookout, this must be a trick question!  ;D





No,not a trick question,Alias. Because Scipio knows everything I directed the question at him. ;D

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« Reply #147 on: February 13, 2015, 09:37:PM »




No,not a trick question,Alias. Because Scipio knows everything I directed the question at him. ;D






Looks like I'm going to have to find out for myself ::)

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« Reply #148 on: February 13, 2015, 09:45:PM »




No,not a trick question,Alias. Because Scipio knows everything I directed the question at him. ;D
Then I will zip it.  :-X

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« Reply #149 on: February 13, 2015, 09:45:PM »
What was Jerry Seinfeld in jail for ?

If you mean at the end of the show, the writers made up a law where you had a legal duty to give aid if someone is in trouble. They watched someone get robbed and did nothing to help so were arrested for violating the law. It was one of the dumbest endings of any TV series and served little more than a basis to recap things that happened in the past through flashbacks.  For a show that was as funny as Seinfeld everyone expected much better.
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