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Re: Miscellaneous Notes...
« Reply #106 on: February 08, 2015, 08:13:PM »
Thank you Alias.  :)

She's a good lass  ;) ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #107 on: February 08, 2015, 08:38:PM »
She's a good lass  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Not sure everybody thinks that!!!  ;D

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« Reply #108 on: February 08, 2015, 08:39:PM »

I can find nowhere in the link that Steve put up which says anything about her readmission being due to that she's stopped taking her meds. It may however be in another statement. He also in sn't entirely conclusive that her lack of interest in the children was due to the drugs being reduced but could in fact be due to her overall mental state.

I was quoting from all his statements combined.  Reading just one does not good unless your goal is to cherrypick.

She wasn't on Haldol prior to her readmission and an attempt was made to put her back on her prior low-dose medicine but didn't work out.  Upon admission she was elevated to Haldol injections so she wouldn't miss it and he felt the potency would keep her.  He didn't understand the true potentcy of Haldol so gave her way too much but that can be said of many doctors at the time.  She was a problem so dump her on something real strong and he felt that would be good.   Subsequent studies confirmed what other doctors thought about it. He was wrong that the only side effect was muscle stiffening and wrong that only if overdosed do you have the motor skill problems she had.  He could defend it saying his idea of an overdose is different from the definition I would be using but that is exactly why you question people to get them to clarify.  When people have different definitions of different concepts...

If Sheila lived they eventually would have changed her to a different medicine because Haldol interferes with ordinary life a great deal but who knows how long before they finally faced it. In the 1980s it was more acceptable to not give a crap about their comfort and dump crazy people on sedatives.  Today we are more interested in trying to help them live normal lives but it really depends on the doctor.  Ironically the same mentality went to treating kids and that still has not abated.  An alarming number of kids are being dumped on drugs and it is harming them greatly.  There are some doctors sounding the alarm at such.

For our purposes what matters is that after being placed on Haldol she had no delusions or relapses that anyone was aware of.  She was on 100MG for 3 weeks without any issues. The idea that 3 weeks after her reduction at 3AM her medication stopped working suddenly and for the first time she became violent towards others would be hard to swallow even if there was some evidence to suggest maybe she could have been involved.  But with all the evidence that says she wasn't and that Jeremy did it the case was a slam dunk for the prosecution.

The same reason his was such a hard case for the defense is why it is hard for Jeremy supporters to come up with anything.  His most die hard supporters are willing to make things up to try to make it seem like their position is solid instead of admitting it is blind faith but there are some who admit they operate on blind faith largely.

I think most of the debates have run their course and for the most part we see Adam and his polar opposites trying to convince the other side to change teams though neither has any real hope of success.

 

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« Reply #109 on: February 08, 2015, 08:40:PM »
Not sure everybody thinks that!!!  ;D




Yer alright. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #110 on: February 08, 2015, 08:54:PM »



Yer alright. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Me towd Gran used to say. Thi's nowt wrong wi reet folk!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #111 on: February 08, 2015, 09:05:PM »
Me towd Gran used to say. Thi's nowt wrong wi reet folk!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D




She were reet.There ain't.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #112 on: February 10, 2015, 06:42:PM »
Let's not forget that police lied UNDER OATH during the trial of the " Cardiff Three " case. One,or even two of the prosecution witnesses simply " didn't like one of the brothers ",so fabricated their evidence.

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« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2015, 03:47:PM »
Essex police under fire yet again. This time over 30 child abuse investigations where they've had to make apologies to alleged victims which involved 59 children. Some cases involving dishonesty and a lack of integrity concerning officers.
DC Derek Benson said " If individuals have failed in their duties,then they will be held to account !. When ?? ( full-pay and pension still intact ?)
28 cases had been referred to the IPCC,which was already reviewing two other cases.
 Also included were historical cases of child abuse dating back to the 60's and 70's.

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« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2015, 05:29:PM »
Let's not forget that police lied UNDER OATH during the trial of the " Cardiff Three " case. One,or even two of the prosecution witnesses simply " didn't like one of the brothers ",so fabricated their evidence.

Exactly .

And all these quotes of Jb said this/Jb said that   were made in Sept when they changed their minds.

I still think they had little to go on so the character assassination was vital.

After all if you think about it logically if his behaviour and words were so obvious they would have spotted it immediately .

All those experienced officers could not tell he was telling lies the whole time they were with him - they could not tell the scene was "staged" . They did not suss anything at all - then all of a sudden they have this big Eureka moment and he becomes an evil monster.

Odd that.

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« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2015, 05:44:PM »
Exactly .

And all these quotes of Jb said this/Jb said that   were made in Sept when they changed their minds.

I still think they had little to go on so the character assassination was vital.

After all if you think about it logically if his behaviour and words were so obvious they would have spotted it immediately .

All those experienced officers could not tell he was telling lies the whole time they were with him - they could not tell the scene was "staged" . They did not suss anything at all - then all of a sudden they have this big Eureka moment and he becomes an evil monster.

Odd that.

They noted in their pocketbooks and to other police some of his behaviors and statements.  It was discussed IMMEDIATELY how he told them she could use all weapons in the house. They had no reason to write up statements discussing such at the time because statements are obtained for a specific purpose.  There is no such thing as taking statements immediately where police are supposed to record every single detail and thing they observed. Statements are obtained to provide to the people who will decide whether to prosecute a case ultimately.  It was in September after the lab developed evidence that someone outside of the victims committed the murders that they knew there was someone to prosecute. 

I have yet to see anyone who defends Jeremy to actually produce any rational reason to do so let alone evidence to support defending him.  I started looking at this case because of various lies from his defenders were suggested to me as proof of his innocence.  Upon scrutinizing the claims I found out it was all lies and BS.  I entered thinking he might actually be innocent based on what I heard but after the claims all fell apart and I saw all the evidence it became clear he is guilty and his defenders all either have gripes with the police and thus subscribe to ridiculous conspiracy theories or have some unexplained love for Jeremy and refuse to believe he can do any wrong.

The ultimate pathetic claim is to raise wrongdoing in some other cases and then say that taints the evidence in this case. That is wholly irrational.  The fact that there was evidence of wrongdoing means by extension if there was wrongdoing here then there would be evidence of it.  But there is none so instead it is always well they lied in other cases so maybe they did here too even though it would take lying by way too many people to be realistic including the crime lab personnel who would have to have doctored evidence not just lied. 
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« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2015, 05:45:PM »
Exactly .

And all these quotes of Jb said this/Jb said that   were made in Sept when they changed their minds.

I still think they had little to go on so the character assassination was vital.

After all if you think about it logically if his behaviour and words were so obvious they would have spotted it immediately .

All those experienced officers could not tell he was telling lies the whole time they were with him - they could not tell the scene was "staged" . They did not suss anything at all - then all of a sudden they have this big Eureka moment and he becomes an evil monster.

Odd that.





Jan," all those officers " knew that Jeremy was telling the truth. As did JM !

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« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2015, 09:55:PM »
Effects of smoking cannabis--------hyperactivity,aggression and delusions are the strongest links with the drug.

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« Reply #118 on: February 13, 2015, 10:56:AM »
AE,in her statement mentioned that she hadn't known that Sheila and the twins were staying at WHF during the tragedy.
Wouldn't you have thought that Jeremy would have " broadcast " this fact in order for those who knew of Sheilas' illness would have given Jeremy the " much-needed excuse "  to have blamed her ?

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« Reply #119 on: February 13, 2015, 11:11:AM »
Reading through the 72 page statement of AE's,I've also come across the officer who told AE that" Sheila and Aunt June were on the bed with a gun between them,and a Bible on Sheilas' chest.
The officer in question was DC Mick Clark.

AE went on to say that Jeremy told her that Sheila was having shooting lessons ? Where ? With whom ?
Sheila was known to accompany her father and AP when they went shooting.