Police Action 1616, DEALING WITH MISSING HAIR - document...

[lookout]

Well it wasn't Jeremys' hair that's for sure.

[Adam]

The relatives 'scrutinised' the silencer before handing it to Jones and never saw ANY hair. They have it for two days and never saw ANY hair - the hair appeared, when Jones appeared! Another reason why I believe the silencer is bollox!

The relatives handed in a silencer with no hair. The police then saw a hair on it. Then lost the hair.

So really there is not much to discuss. As the hair was never presented as evidence.

[Adam]

Well it wasn't Jeremys' hair that's for sure.

No. He dyed it dark black just before the massacre.

[susan]

Adam he dyed his hair BLACK this was not unusual for him as he often dyed his hair.

[scipio_usmc]

Much ado about nothing. The blood evidence etc is what proves the gun was used in commission of the murders.  It was Neville's house so his hair would likely be in his closet and other areas where it could easily attach to things such as the moderator.

Had the hair been the only evidence on/in the moderator it would prove nothing.  The blood, paint and fact the gun broke the ceiling light is what helps demonstrate the moderator was used during the murders the hair never proved a thing and that is why it was only mentioned at he trial in a quick mention.   

[Alias]

Much ado about nothing. The blood evidence etc is what proves the gun was used in commission of the murders.  It was Neville's house so his hair would likely be in his closet and other areas where it could easily attach to things such as the moderator.

Had the hair been the only evidence on/in the moderator it would prove nothing.  The blood, paint and fact the gun broke the ceiling light is what helps demonstrate the moderator was used during the murders the hair never proved a thing and that is why it was only mentioned at he trial in a quick mention.   

Do you have measurements or is this just something you are guessing?

[scipio_usmc]

Do you have measurements or is this just something you are guessing?

There are photos showing the height of the light and how it is over the table.  Since it was over the table it had to be hit standing to the side of the table and hit when the gun was at an angle and not while walking underneath the light. 

In a thread where I discussed this in the past someone posted a photo of the light



and I posted the following pic of someone (some claim it is AP) holding the gun with the moderator attached. The measurement of the gun sans moderator is only 3.5 feet (109CM). Sheila was only 5'7" so even if the gun extended a foot above her head that would not be good enough to result in the light being hit. 

While arguing over the gun she would be holding it at chest level because that provides the most leverage. It would be easy to take away if held eye level.  Even with the moderator she would have to lift the rifle up in an unnatural position to hit the light because of her height.  Her father and brother were over 6 feet. Them wrestling over the gun with the moderator attached would allow the shade to be hit because they were taller and at their chest level with the moderator attached it would be able to reach the bottom of the lampshade.  That is if the gun were held like this guy is holding it as they wrested as opposed to horizontal.  If horizontal obviously the light still would not be hit.

Jeremy was sly asking how the lampshade broke, he wanted to know if they figured out Neville and his killer wrested for control of the weapon and/or to make it appear he was perplexed as to how it could have gotten broken to help fool them about him not being the perp.



The scratching of the mantle indicates that as they wrestled the gun was twisted down and that enabled it to scrape the mantle as they struggled for control.  So the gun was in the opposite position of the photo and diagonally down at some point. It must have been some struggle that the gun was going all over. Neville did indeed put up a good struggle as Jeremy old Julie. How did Jeremy know he put up such a good struggle unless he were the killer?

[Mr. Gee]

It is only assumption that the light was broken in a struggle. There is absolutely no forensic proof at all that the light was broken by Sheila, Bamber or any of the family. We might as well say the raid team broke it. It's as good a speculation as any. It isn't a matter of maths at all as you suggest. It may not have been a rifle that broke it. It could have been something thrown?

[lookout]

 The broken light,like the scratches on the fire surround could have been done a night or two prior to the murders as this tragedy was " brewing " the minute that Sheila had arrived at WHF.
No glass was on the floor,or scrapings found from the scratches,both of which would already have been swept up.
Sadly,it was the time leading up to the murders that we don't know about,but would certainly have solved a lot of unnecessary upset and trauma all round,to say nothing of the suspicion it's created.

[Alias]

It is only assumption that the light was broken in a struggle. There is absolutely no forensic proof at all that the light was broken by Sheila, Bamber or any of the family. We might as well say the raid team broke it. It's as good a speculation as any. It isn't a matter of maths at all as you suggest. It may not have been a rifle that broke it. It could have been something thrown?

That.
Besides, if there was a fight over the rifle, movements wouldn´t have been static at chest level throughout, but rather going up, down and friom side to side.
To claim that the broken light is a proof the silencer was on the rifle is a stretch!

[Caroline]

There are photos showing the height of the light and how it is over the table.  Since it was over the table it had to be hit standing to the side of the table and hit when the gun was at an angle and not while walking underneath the light. 

In a thread where I discussed this in the past someone posted a photo of the light



and I posted the following pic of someone (some claim it is AP) holding the gun with the moderator attached. The measurement of the gun sans moderator is only 3.5 feet (109CM). Sheila was only 5'7" so even if the gun extended a foot above her head that would not be good enough to result in the light being hit. 

While arguing over the gun she would be holding it at chest level because that provides the most leverage. It would be easy to take away if held eye level.  Even with the moderator she would have to lift the rifle up in an unnatural position to hit the light because of her height.  Her father and brother were over 6 feet. Them wrestling over the gun with the moderator attached would allow the shade to be hit because they were taller and at their chest level with the moderator attached it would be able to reach the bottom of the lampshade.  That is if the gun were held like this guy is holding it as they wrested as opposed to horizontal.  If horizontal obviously the light still would not be hit.

Jeremy was sly asking how the lampshade broke, he wanted to know if they figured out Neville and his killer wrested for control of the weapon and/or to make it appear he was perplexed as to how it could have gotten broken to help fool them about him not being the perp.



The scratching of the mantle indicates that as they wrestled the gun was twisted down and that enabled it to scrape the mantle as they struggled for control.  So the gun was in the opposite position of the photo and diagonally down at some point. It must have been some struggle that the gun was going all over. Neville did indeed put up a good struggle as Jeremy old Julie. How did Jeremy know he put up such a good struggle unless he were the killer?

Not sure if that it a picture of WHF as it was when the Bambers lived there or a later picture taken after the Eatons lived there?

[Mr. Gee]

The broken light,like the scratches on the fire surround could have been done a night or two prior to the murders as this tragedy was " brewing " the minute that Sheila had arrived at WHF.
No glass was on the floor,or scrapings found from the scratches,both of which would already have been swept up.
Sadly,it was the time leading up to the murders that we don't know about,but would certainly have solved a lot of unnecessary upset and trauma all round,to say nothing of the suspicion it's created.

It appears to me and I suggest it would have appeared to Bamber as well to be common sense to have leaned any blood and paint from off the silencer before he stowed it away. That is why I believe this silencer to be a fake and a red herring?

[lookout]

It appears to me and I suggest it would have appeared to Bamber as well to be common sense to have leaned any blood and paint from off the silencer before he stowed it away. That is why I believe this silencer to be a fake and a red herring?

I wonder how it got damaged,Mr G.? Wasn't it supposed to have been " scraped " down one side ?

[Mr. Gee]

That.
Besides, if there was a fight over the rifle, movements wouldn´t have been static at chest level throughout, but rather going up, down and friom side to side.
To claim that the broken light is a proof the silencer was on the rifle is a stretch!

He posted that together with erm.. mathematical calculations just to appear intelligent to the gullible amongst us. Also it fits in with his scenario.

[Alias]

He posted that together with erm.. mathematical calculations just to appear intelligent to the gullible amongst us. Also it fits in with his scenario.

Talk about bias!