The conviction. What does not fit ?

[Mr. Gee]

Ok then if you insist on sarcasm - expect some back.

He'll only report you and win Jan.

[Alias]

I will try to handle it.

You complain a lot though....

[Adam]

1: Was there a motive - Several.

2: Was there an opportunity - Yes.

3: Was there an alibi - No.

4: Was there a lot of circumstantial evidence - Yes.

5: Have there been other inheritance killers - Yes.

6: Was there a way to WHF without being seen - Yes.

7: Was a bike brought over just before the massacre - Yes.

8: Was there a way into WHF through a window - Yes.

9:Was there a way out and to lock a window from outside - Yes.

10: Was 12pm - 2pm the perfect execution time - Yes.

11: Was there a lethal weapon inside WHF - Yes.

12: Are there just two suspects - Yes.

13: Does the forensic evidence show it was not Sheila - Yes.

14: Does the silencer evidence round the suspects to one - Yes.

15: Is a triple frame attempt unprecedented - Yes.

16: Did Bamber have an opportunity to dispose of evidence - Yes.

17: Are there lots of reasons why Neville would call Jeremy - No.

18: Did Bamber have better options, random stranger etc - No.

19: Would the WHF dogs prevent a massacre or attempt - No.

20: Did experts believe Sheila capable of such a murderous rage - No.

21: Could Sheila have committed the massacre - No. 

22: Have there been several failed appeals - Yes.

23: Has anyone retracted or been proved to have lied - No.



I could continue. Can someone please tell me what does not fit and why the conviction is wrong.

[Adam]

As promised for Caroline -

3: There was no cast iron alibi for the 10pm - 3pm period.

5: Previous 'Inheritance killers shows sons do kill family 
    members for money.

6: Bamber is unlikely to disturb anyone cycling through fields at
    2.00am.

8: Bamber himself said he knew how to get into WHF through
    windows.

9: There are at least 12 sources.

10: Sheila could go crazy at any time during the day.

13: This point was not referring to the silencer evidence.
      There is a lot of other forensic evidence.

14: The silencer evidence rounds the suspects to one. There is no
       evidence the silencer evidence was planted.

15: There has never been a failed prosecution where a triple frame
       attempt was made. Or a release based on a proven triple
       frame.

17: There is a lot information on the Jeremy/Neville relationship
       There are also 40 reasons why Neville would not call.

18: People have claimed Bamber could have left the front door
      open Blaming a burglar or random stranger.

21: Several threads show it was impossible for Sheila to commit
       the massacre. Or explain what Sheila was doing when Neville
       used the phone.

22: The more failed appeals surely highlights guilt more.

[Jane]

3. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

5. Not relevant.

6. Unlikely, not impossible.

8. So could others.

9. Rehashes NOT original.

10. She could, but historically her severe episodes had been at night.

11. Was that so, we wouldn't be discussing the case 30 on.

14. That doesn't mean it wasn't.

15. Never previously doesn't mean never ever.

17. YOUR reasons.

18. YOU are the one making claims here. One or two may have SUGGESTED that the door was left open.

21. No one with any knowledge of mental illness from which Sheila suffered would make such a claim. It is MORE than possible that she could have. Whether she did is another question.

22. But it's possible he could be released on a technicality.

[Caroline]

As promised for Caroline -

3: There was no cast iron alibi for the 10pm - 3pm period. Well there was for part of it, his car was heard to leave the farm and he spoke to Julie between 10:00 and 10:30. He couldn't have been calling her from WHF because at that time, June was talking to Pam so he had to be home calling from Goldhanger

5: Previous 'Inheritance killers shows sons do kill family 
    members for money. What other people did or didn't do isn't relevant

6: Bamber is unlikely to disturb anyone cycling through fields at
    2.00am. No, but he is likely to break his neck - if he went across the fields, he walked

8: Bamber himself said he knew how to get into WHF through
    windows. He also said he didn't know how to secure the lock from the outside after leaving

9: There are at least 12 sources. I prefer mayonnaise! 12 sources for what?

10: Sheila could go crazy at any time during the day.  And? Anytime does include the early hours of the morning so you are actually admitting - it could have happened

13: This point was not referring to the silencer evidence.
      There is a lot of other forensic evidence. Such as?

14: The silencer evidence rounds the suspects to one. There is no
       evidence the silencer evidence was planted. I think conflicting stories tell another tale

15: There has never been a failed prosecution where a triple frame
       attempt was made. Or a release based on a proven triple
       frame. But that doesn't prove it hasn't happened!

17: There is a lot information on the Jeremy/Neville relationship
       There are also 40 reasons why Neville would not call. But those are YOUR reasons and they aren't relevant and the relatives didn't see the Bambers that often to draw the kind of conclusions they did - same with Sheila

18: People have claimed Bamber could have left the front door
      open Blaming a burglar or random stranger. And? People have claimed many things - so what?

21: Several threads show it was impossible for Sheila to commit
       the massacre. Or explain what Sheila was doing when Neville
       used the phone. You're confusing opinion with fact and the fact is no one here is qualified to make these kind of claims - you can only have an opinion

22: The more failed appeals surely highlights guilt more. No it doesn't - someone is either innocent or guilty and it doesn't count on how many appeals they have.

[lookout]

 A lot of things don't fit.

2 rifles were in use that night,one with a moderator,one without.

Sheila,to my mind,died in the kitchen with her father,where the argument began.

Neville wasn't shot upstairs as none of his blood was on the carpet.No trail down the stairs ?

He'd finished work late that night and possibly showered/bathed after supper.

The teapot/kettle was by the Aga with two cups. Sheila and Neville.

The cream phone would have already been brought downstairs in case the ringing woke the boys up.It would have already been in the kitchen when Pam rang. June could have been looking for the kitchen phone,which was under a pile of magazines,not hidden,but inadvertently placed there and forgotten about once the other phone was in situ.

End cap of rifle not found ? Or if it was,it wasn't mentioned where it was found.?

" Trick of light" left its fingerprints on the sill where it was seen ?

Why was footwear removed from WHF if police knew it was Jeremy who was guilty ? Surely they wouldn't then have bothered to take them ?

Why would police have needed 2 samples of paint from the Aga surround ? 9th and 14th of August ? Nobody owned up to that blunder.

No blood on the Aga,table,and surrounds considering there'd been a " ferocious " struggle to the death, with blood oozing from Nevilles' injuries. Where DID all the blood go ? Where was it all ?

In AE's statement of the 14th of August,she made no mention of finding the silencer ? The excuse at no mention of it ? Because it wasn't relevant at the time. (What a whopper !!)

Why was Jeremy handed a 12 bore and a rifle when the relatives were convinced he'd murdered the family ?

Why did it take nigh-on 12 months before Jeremy was arrested for the murders ? PR exercises towards the relatives in the meantime ?? Of course they were.!

[Mr. Gee]

A lot of things don't fit.

2 rifles were in use that night,one with a moderator,one without.

Sheila,to my mind,died in the kitchen with her father,where the argument began.

Neville wasn't shot upstairs as none of his blood was on the carpet.No trail down the stairs ?

He'd finished work late that night and possibly showered/bathed after supper.

The teapot/kettle was by the Aga with two cups. Sheila and Neville.

The cream phone would have already been brought downstairs in case the ringing woke the boys up.It would have already been in the kitchen when Pam rang. June could have been looking for the kitchen phone,which was under a pile of magazines,not hidden,but inadvertently placed there and forgotten about once the other phone was in situ.

End cap of rifle not found ? Or if it was,it wasn't mentioned where it was found.?

" Trick of light" left its fingerprints on the sill where it was seen ?

Why was footwear removed from WHF if police knew it was Jeremy who was guilty ? Surely they wouldn't then have bothered to take them ?

Why would police have needed 2 samples of paint from the Aga surround ? 9th and 14th of August ? Nobody owned up to that blunder.

No blood on the Aga,table,and surrounds considering there'd been a " ferocious " struggle to the death, with blood oozing from Nevilles' injuries. Where DID all the blood go ? Where was it all ?

In AE's statement of the 14th of August,she made no mention of finding the silencer ? The excuse at no mention of it ? Because it wasn't relevant at the time. (What a whopper !!)

Why was Jeremy handed a 12 bore and a rifle when the relatives were convinced he'd murdered the family ?

Why did it take nigh-on 12 months before Jeremy was arrested for the murders ? PR exercises towards the relatives in the meantime ?? Of course they were.!

Hi lookout. I haven't heard of that before? If true then it is a very significant fact as it places Sheila and Nevill downstairs. If not who was the 2nd cup for?
I certainly believe that the argument between Nevill and Sheila began downstairs.

[lookout]

 I read it on this forum on one of the 2011 threads.I do a lot of delving on the quiet.

[lookout]

I read it on this forum on one of the 2011 threads.I do a lot of delving on the quiet.

Yes,I would say that they were both downstairs. Sheila used to spend hours talking to her dad on the phone,and the conversations went on well until the early hours and beyond as she had trouble sleeping. Poor man must have been worn out after his day on the farm,but probably didn't like cutting her short in case she threw a wobbly.
Maybe on the night of the shootings,Sheila could have been questioning why her dad wasn't supporting her as he used to do,then it all blew up from there. I firmly believe that Neville was trying to get the rifle off her and it accidentally went off towards her jaw.
Neville might have been in the middle of putting the gun away when Sheila joined him downstairs so therefore the gun wouldn't have reached the cupboard.

[susan]

Hi lookout you are quite good at digging think I will name you as Miss Marples

[lookout]

Oh heck,Susan,MD called me that a couple of years ago.

[susan]

Hahaha lookout I remember that now it takes one to know one  that is a compliment by the way

[Patti]

I come across a post today where I called Lookout Ms Hawkeye hahahahahaha it was posted 18 moths ago 

[susan]

Patti I have been called much much worse than that