The conviction. What does not fit ?

[Jan]

We could just as easily say - Did someone who knew the family well and knew about Sheilas illness have staged the whole thing to distract from themselves .

Could they have pointed a gun at Neville to make him call Jeremy - thinking that he would just come over to help. Wanting to kill the whole family - motive  revenge? Jealousy ?

Other people knew how to get in and out of the house using the same method and as the court said for Jeremy you don't have to prove it happened just that it is possible.

And the answer is it is highly unlikely - but not impossible . You see it all depends on interpretation of the evidence we have been presented with .

My point is not that the above happened - but we can speculate as much as we want  - but who is going to provide the proof?

Mr Healey made a good point to Jeremy - he begged him to concentrate on finding proof that he did not do it - such as the logs - rather than trying to prove that Sheila did do it. Because he genuinely thought that someone else could be involved . I don't personally agree with that but it is an opinion he is entitled to.

[Jan]

Very well done Caroline.

I was quite surprised at some of you're answers. But will not bother answering them at this late hour.

Each point from me can be endlessly argued by optimistic supporters. But if all correct, each matches perfectly a conviction.

My question was more - 'The conviction. What does not fit ? Are there any facts which show the conviction is wrong ?

Have you noticed Adam that Caroline gives a balanced reply - probably more balanced than mine . She has more experience of the case than either of us - So I think a less patronising response would have been more appropriate.

[Adam]

Have you noticed Adam that Caroline gives a balanced reply - probably more balanced than mine . She has more experience of the case than either of us - So I think a less patronising response would have been more appropriate.

I will answer some of her points later.

Everyone has information on the case. You cannot say one person knows more than another.

[Adam]

We could just as easily say - Did someone who knew the family well and knew about Sheilas illness have staged the whole thing to distract from themselves .

Could they have pointed a gun at Neville to make him call Jeremy - thinking that he would just come over to help. Wanting to kill the whole family - motive  revenge? Jealousy ?

Other people knew how to get in and out of the house using the same method and as the court said for Jeremy you don't have to prove it happened just that it is possible.

And the answer is it is highly unlikely - but not impossible . You see it all depends on interpretation of the evidence we have been presented with .

My point is not that the above happened - but we can speculate as much as we want  - but who is going to provide the proof?

Mr Healey made a good point to Jeremy - he begged him to concentrate on finding proof that he did not do it - such as the logs - rather than trying to prove that Sheila did do it. Because he genuinely thought that someone else could be involved . I don't personally agree with that but it is an opinion he is entitled to.

Well the thread is about the facts fitting the conviction -

Could the convicted person get into WHF through windows - Yes

Etc.

[Mr. Gee]

Well the thread is about the facts fitting the conviction -

Could the convicted person get into WHF through windows - Yes

Etc.

Could anyone? Yes.

[lookout]

Did anyone,ever ? Yes,the cousin/s.

[Adam]

Perhaps it was a random stranger. A woman to.  Not sure how Neville had time to ring Jeremy. Or why.

Or was it AE ?  Jeremy tucked up in bed with his teddy bear and spider man PJ's.

[Mr. Gee]

Perhaps it was a random stranger. A woman to.  Not sure how Neville had time to ring Jeremy. Or why.

Or was it AE ?  Jeremy tucked up in bed with his teddy bear and spider man PJ's.

Or perhaps your own fertile imagination?

[susan]

Hahaha Adam are you drunk

[Mr. Gee]

Hahaha Adam are you drunk

No he's usually like this.

[lookout]

No he's usually like this.

When he can't give a straight answer.

[Jan]

Perhaps it was a random stranger. A woman to.  Not sure how Neville had time to ring Jeremy. Or why.

Or was it AE ?  Jeremy tucked up in bed with his teddy bear and spider man PJ's.

Did you not understand my post - I could not make it much clearer. If you are going to make all your Scenarios factual just because they are "possible"  - then other scenarios also become  "possible"

Could the burns on Nevilles neck been some kind of torture?

Is there any signs of him being restrained or tied up at any stage?

When I make these points I ( as I have made crystal clear) am still asking questions . So there is absolutely no need for sarcasm in your replies.


If The case is not personal to you then why do you hate or are jealous of  someone and his family life so much ? It does not make any sense at all.You don't even know him .

Oh and reference your other comment I do believe Caroline knows more about the case than you - or me for that fact.

[Adam]

Did you not understand my post - I could not make it much clearer. If you are going to make all your Scenarios factual just because they are "possible"  - then other scenarios also become  "possible"

Could the burns on Nevilles neck been some kind of torture?

Is there any signs of him being restrained or tied up at any stage?

When I make these points I ( as I have made crystal clear) am still asking questions . So there is absolutely no need for sarcasm in your replies.


If The case is not personal to you then why do you hate or are jealous of  someone and his family life so much ? It does not make any sense at all.You don't even know him .

Oh and reference your other comment I do believe Caroline knows more about the case than you - or me for that fact.

Torture, tied up. Does not highlight innocence of guilty. For either person.

If I want to be sarcastic, I will.

[Jan]

Torture, tied up. Does not highlight innocence of guilty. For either person.

If I want to be sarcastic, I will.

Ok then if you insist on sarcasm - expect some back.

[Adam]

Ok then if you insist on sarcasm - expect some back.

I will try to handle it.