The burning WHF down option:

[Jan]

Do you think Marsden lied to the police ?

perhaps - I think he or the police  misinterpreted a conversation in hindsight . Otherwise he would have been used as a witness in the case.

[Adam]

perhaps - I think he or the police  misinterpreted a conversation in hindsight . Otherwise he would have been used as a witness in the case.

[Adam]

Hopefully Steve will confirm if he has a source about Deckers.

If Bamber spoke to Deckers, Marsden and Julie about this, that really is a curious coincidence.

[Steve_uk]

Hopefully Steve will confirm if he has a source about Deckers.

If Bamber spoke to Deckers, Marsden and Julie about this, that really is a curious coincidence.

 There's a lot to be said in support of lookout's post about digging the dirt,but for purposes of gleaning information I post the following:

Central to the group at the Frog and Beans were Michael Deckers and Malcolm Waters,who jointly owned the bar and allowed Jeremy to have drinks on the house in return for potatoes from the farm. Both in their early thirties, they seem to have viewed Jeremy as a slightly troubled younger brother,helping him out where necessary but vocal about his faults. Michael thought him immature,particularly in his complaints about his parents. Malcolm told the Star in 1986 that Jeremy was "a Walter Mitty type. He dreams up situations and then convinces himself its true. At certain periods he was very much a loner." He sensed that Jeremy was "easily led and susceptible to others" and "always looking for affection,especially from girls".

[Adam]

There's a lot to be said in support of lookout's post about digging the dirt,but for purposes of gleaning information I post the following:

Central to the group at the Frog and Beans were Michael Deckers and Malcolm Waters,who jointly owned the bar and allowed Jeremy to have drinks on the house in return for potatoes from the farm. Both in their early thirties, they seem to have viewed Jeremy as a slightly troubled younger brother,helping him out where necessary but vocal about his faults. Michael thought him immature,particularly in his complaints about his parents. Malcolm told the Star in 1986 that Jeremy was "a Walter Mitty type. He dreams up situations and then convinces himself its true. At certain periods he was very much a loner." He sensed that Jeremy was "easily led and susceptible to others" and "always looking for affection,especially from girls".

This doesn't say Bamber spokd to Deckers about burning down WHF.

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy moved out of White House Farm(Autumn 1983),renting a room in Michael Deckers' house in Lexden. Michael's girlfriend,Liz Rimington and his business partner Malcolm Waters also shared the property. The two men had sold the Frog & Beans and were running Sloppy Joe's,an American-style pizzeria on Colchester High Street,with Liz as manager. Jeremy worked behind the bar most evenings after finishing his shift on the farm. Temporary staff were employed as Christmas approached,including former Frog & Beans waitress Karen Napier. She and Liz had been friendly with the other new waitress for years;her name was Julie Mugford.

[Steve_uk]

This doesn't say Bamber spokd to Deckers about burning down WHF.

No I don't think he did. But it was damning enough that he discussed it with Charles Marsden as well as Julie.

[Steve_uk]

If nobody is bothered I won't post the three-in-a-bed romp which almost was from Chapter 12.

[scipio_usmc]

No I don't think he did. But it was damning enough that he discussed it with Charles Marsden as well as Julie.

He complained to others about his family just like he did to Julie.  There is a rather significant difference though between telling Julie he was planning to kill everyone and make it look like Nevill did it by falling asleep with a cigarette and telling Marsden that IF he burned down the house while everyone was inside he would inherit everything.

One can use it to say see he did think about burning it down like Julie said but that is hardly the same as saying he also told him he was planning to kill them by fire. By the time he said it he already gave up on the idea of trying the fire so it wasn't that big a deal to say it.  Julie said he already abandoned it and if he planned to go through with the fire still he would not have said what he did because it would look pretty damn suspicious for him to say that and then for there to be a fire.



 

[lookout]

Oh,go on then Steve.

[Steve_uk]

Oh,go on then Steve.

In addition to the odd dalliance with Sue Ford,Jeremy was unfaithful to Julie in the first half of 1984 with two other women. The first was Liz Rimington,whose relationship with Malcolm Waters had come to an end. After spending the night with Jeremy,Liz felt "terribly guilty",telling Essex Police in 1985 that they were "never romantically involved" and Julie knew nothing about it.

Jeremy's second liaison was with another friend of Julie's. He and Charles Marsden had spent an evening drinking with the girl at the Chequers. Returning to Bourtree Cottage after the pub closed,Charles went to bed while Jeremy and the girl stayed downstairs drinking. She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy's bedroom with him "on top of me having intercourse". Charles Marsden lay next to them;he recalled waking up to find the couple having sex but both he and the girl confirmed he had taken no part in what was going on.

The following day the girl wondered whether she had been drugged.Feeling "shocked,angry and abused" after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode,she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working. Julie recalled the girl describing a threesome and,when she confronted Jeremy,he told her that the girl was neurotic. Leaving Julie sobbing in the garden,he returned later and charged at the locked door,splintering it. Julie decided to believe him and broke off her friendship with the girl as he asked.

[lookout]

Good Lord.

[guest154]

In addition to the odd dalliance with Sue Ford,Jeremy was unfaithful to Julie in the first half of 1984 with two other women. The first was Liz Rimington,whose relationship with Malcolm Waters had come to an end. After spending the night with Jeremy,Liz felt "terribly guilty",telling Essex Police in 1985 that they were "never romantically involved" and Julie knew nothing about it.

Jeremy's second liaison was with another friend of Julie's. He and Charles Marsden had spent an evening drinking with the girl at the Chequers. Returning to Bourtree Cottage after the pub closed,Charles went to bed while Jeremy and the girl stayed downstairs drinking. She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy's bedroom with him "on top of me having intercourse". Charles Marsden lay next to them;he recalled waking up to find the couple having sex but both he and the girl confirmed he had taken no part in what was going on.

The following day the girl wondered whether she had been drugged.Feeling "shocked,angry and abused" after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode,she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working. Julie recalled the girl describing a threesome and,when she confronted Jeremy,he told her that the girl was neurotic. Leaving Julie sobbing in the garden,he returned later and charged at the locked door,splintering it. Julie decided to believe him and broke off her friendship with the girl as he asked.

 

[Caroline]

In addition to the odd dalliance with Sue Ford,Jeremy was unfaithful to Julie in the first half of 1984 with two other women. The first was Liz Rimington,whose relationship with Malcolm Waters had come to an end. After spending the night with Jeremy,Liz felt "terribly guilty",telling Essex Police in 1985 that they were "never romantically involved" and Julie knew nothing about it.

Jeremy's second liaison was with another friend of Julie's. He and Charles Marsden had spent an evening drinking with the girl at the Chequers. Returning to Bourtree Cottage after the pub closed,Charles went to bed while Jeremy and the girl stayed downstairs drinking. She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy's bedroom with him "on top of me having intercourse". Charles Marsden lay next to them;he recalled waking up to find the couple having sex but both he and the girl confirmed he had taken no part in what was going on.

The following day the girl wondered whether she had been drugged.Feeling "shocked,angry and abused" after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode,she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working. Julie recalled the girl describing a threesome and,when she confronted Jeremy,he told her that the girl was neurotic. Leaving Julie sobbing in the garden,he returned later and charged at the locked door,splintering it. Julie decided to believe him and broke off her friendship with the girl as he asked.

I'd say this all sounds pretty manipulative.

[lookout]

No wonder he had to have a course of antibiotics !