Documentary tonight: Crimes that Shook Britain, Jeremy Bamber

[shonapugs]

Was that really the best that Matthew McDonald had got? I wonder how far the investigation into that went, before it veered off towards JB?

[Kaldin]

Was that really the best that Matthew McDonald had got? I wonder how far the investigation into that went, before it veered off towards JB?

I'd like to know that too. The issue of McDonald's alibi has been glossed over and there's no indication of how thoroughly he was checked out.

I'm not saying he had anything to do with it, but the police were already in enough trouble for not checking things thoroughly so I presume they did go into it properly.

[Jackiepreece]

I think I have read on here that a sum of £2000 being paid to a hitman I don't know where that figure came from I assume mugford.  As JB worked for the family I think it would probably be hard for JB to lay his hands on that sort of money probably £10,000 today but from everything I have read on here JB s bank accounts were all checked out.  Where would he get that sort of money without anyone knowing and if he had borrowed it from a friend I think they would have told someone by now it wouldn't implicate them as they wouldn't have known what it was for.
I am sure it would have been another bit of good news for bob mills and for anyone on here that believes mugfords story about the hitman does this Matthew have a history of violence that could give an indication that he could kill two children and three adults in cold blood.

I would bet bob miller scrutinised this Matthew guy he could have nicked two people for the murder then.
There would be nothing about McDonald that bob miller didnt know at the time and if JB was under scrutiny I bet the McDonald was top
Bob miller wouldn't have been confident JB could have been convicted with just mugford etc

[grahameb]

Well in 1983 we bought our house for £26,000. Today it would probably be valued at £185,000? Might give you some idea what £2,000 would be today?

[Jackiepreece]

The hitman thing doesn't work for me I think bob miller would found something on McDonald  and I think it would be hard for JB to lay his hands on that sort of money

[clifford]

How much was the opium that was being grown on the farm worth?

[Jackiepreece]

I don't know what the opium was worth but I thought it was grown for the government so I would have thought under strict control

[paulg]

The hitman thing doesn't work for me I think bob miller would found something on McDonald  and I think it would be hard for JB to lay his hands on that sort of money

Depends on the amount of grass he was growing. Its a cash crop, 8 plants back in 1985 would have yielded £2000+.

Its monetary value has only gone up in the last 4 years in comparison to 1985, in fact, it was cheaper in 2004 than it was 1985.

[John]

He didn't have to pay it up front in any event as he was depending on an inheritance remember.  I don't think he was going to default, do you?

[Hartley]

He didn't have to pay it up front in any event as he was depending on an inheritance remember.  I don't think he was going to default, do you?

JB should have got a discount anyway for providing the rifle and ammo. 

[chelmsey]

He didn't have to pay it up front in any event as he was depending on an inheritance remember.  I don't think he was going to default, do you?

JB should have got a discount anyway for providing the rifle and ammo. 

hahahahaha 

[chelmsey]

Chocokeira............regarding your post about depression.You state "depression is anger turned inside oneself" or something to that effect.This is not entirely true in all cases of depression.Depression is caused by a lack of serotin within the brain.

[John]

But wasn't that part of the plan to implicate poor demented Sheila?

If you look back at the documentary you will see that Jeremy carefully groomed the police to effectively put Sheila squarely in the frame.  Even before the murders Jeremy was bad mouthing Sheila to all asundry. I can see that a plan had been formulated in his mind with it all coming together when Sheila and the boys visited the farm. 

Does nobody think it very convenient that Sheila and the boys had just arrived to stay with Nevill and June for a while?  If someone wanted to get at Nevill as has been suggested they would have been aware of his daughter and grandsons presence at the farm since they would have had to case the joint as they say.

[Jackiepreece]

Hit men aren't the normal type of people I normally mix with but I have always read in newspapers hitmen want money up front I suppose if they get caught the family have the money stashed away

I would say a hitman did get paid up front

John nice to see Hartleys got your back and you are so likeminded

[Hartley]

But wasn't that part of the plan to implicate poor demented Sheila?

If you look back at the documentary you will see that Jeremy carefully groomed the police to effectively put Sheila squarely in the frame.  Even before the murders Jeremy was bad mouthing Sheila to all asundry. I can see that a plan had been formed in his mind with it all coming together when Sheila and the boys visited the farm.  Does nobody think it very convenient that Sheila and the boys had just arrived to stay with Nevill and June for a while?

Yeah that's true.

I still think if a hitman/third party was involved then JB would have gotten himself a better alibi, gone down the local police station and set off fireworks or something, anything!

Of course he wouldn't be able to do that if he carried out the shooting himself.

Likewise if he is innocent then a premeditated alibi wouldn't be possible either.