Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Ask yourselves, why there is/are/ was/were two different firearm operation Commanders ( PS Adams and then PI Montgomery) if there was only one firearm operation?  There can only be one nominated firearm Commander in charge of any firearm operation, unless in exceptional circumstances!

The first team arrived, realised the size of the house and called for further firearms officers. This is already documented.

[mike tesko]

The first team arrived, realised the size of the house and called for further firearms officers. This is already documented.

Thanks for your input, and contribution to this thread..

In many ways, you are correct, but the timing of these events suggests very strongly that reinforcements were not sent for, once the six man raid team set off to make its entry into the farmhouse! Indeed, two further firearm officers were seconded to the six man raid team after entry when two bodies had already been 'found' upon entry to the kitchen, by virtue of the fact that Sheila's body had 'vanished' from the kitchen Crime scene (by the time, Harris, Gibbons and Montgomery, entered the kitchen of the farmhouse by 8.15am), in addition to the fact, that one of the original raid team officers, had inadvertently tumbled down the cellar stairs as a result of him shoulder charging a locked doorway which led to the cellar, underneath ground level, and becoming injured, in need of attention by ambulance crews who were by that stage in attendance at the incident!

[mike tesko]

Other than that which I refer to, there were no reinforcements called upon because of the sheer size of the premises, other than a second group of firearm officers arriving at the incident at about 7am, or thereabouts...

Except, that a particular group of additional officers (SOCO 1st team, from Headquarters) were requested to attend whf  in possession of cameras and recording devices. Yet, officially although this request is documented, there is an entry in police logs, that this request was cancelled...

However, it was not cancelled - since the request was a reference to headquarter SOCO to attend the incident, and which they did do!

It was Headquarter SOCO (DC's Oakey, and possibly, DC Henderson and DS Eastwood) that attended whf and who recorded the bodies insitu, and who took a crime scene video of the various locations and positions of victims bodies, and key exhibits!

[mike tesko]

It was Headquarter SOCO (DC's Oakey and Henderson) that attended whf and who recorded the bodies insitu, and who took a crime scene video of the various locations and positions of victims bodies, and key exhibits!

Nobody should 100% trust anybody who is employed by the CCRC - they work in principle to limit damage that might be caused to the Criminal Justice system! It needs to be abolished, because it is a corrupted Organisation, and its employees are getting paid tens of thousands of pounds annually simply for trying to protect the image of the Criminal Justice System!

Sack the lot of them, they are flamboyantly unreliable, and are draining public funds!

[mike tesko]

I would now at this juncture, wish to refer you all to the contents of what has been named, the Disclosure booklet' (Jeremy Bambers Campaign)

[TheBrilliantMistake]

The initial 6 firearms officers where under Police Sergeant Adams, which was logged as 'but under the command of...' this was because it was not usually the case to be under a police sergeant.
This initial team arrived without firearms, as they had been on duty in plain clothes in Chelmsford. Subsequently they collected firearms from HQ.

A further 6 were then called for under Inspector Montgomery and these arrived.

Adams's raid team entered the house, Adams remained outside.

[mike tesko]

The initial 6 firearms officers where under Police Sergeant Adams, which was logged as 'but under the command of...' this was because it was not usually the case to be under a police sergeant.On the Contrary, it was accepted that someone in PS Adams position/ circumstances that despite the attendance of a far more senior Officer, that because PS Adams was a trained and highly qualified firearm officer, that he would remain commander of the ongoing firearm operation, despite the arrival thereafter of a firearm officer higher in rank!

This initial team arrived without firearms, If you are referring to the arrival of PS Bews and PC Myall at the time of their arrival at the scene at 3.48am you are indeed reporting the true facts. However, when PS Adams and his team arrived at the scene at around 5am, they all were certainly armed with loaded weapons!as they had been on duty in plain clothes in Chelmsford Oh yeah, armed to the teeth with police issue firearms!Subsequently they collected firearms from HQ. Yes, before they went to the incident which was unfolding at the farmhouse..

A further 6 were then called for under Inspector Montgomery and these arrived. A further five or six were subsequently called for, but this was after the original six man raid team had already entered the farmhouse, found two dead bodies in the kitchen by at the very latest 7.42am, or from as early as 7.35am, and after the other three dead bodies had been found upstairs, and it being confirmed by that stage (8.10am) that in total the raid team had found five persons dead, in total!

Adams's raid team entered the houseWhich included a mixture of firearm officers who had arrived earlier along with PS Adams at around 5pm, together with one or more firearm officers who did not arrive at the scene under the remit of PI Montgomery until around 7am Adams remained outside. as he would have been expected to, as the Commander of that particular part of the firearm operation - he being present in a nearby outbuilding in the presence of DCI Harris, CI Gibbons, PI Montgomery, and others, all of whom were of higher rank!

[TheBrilliantMistake]

It isnt on the contrary, it is that by the time reinforcements arrived, Adams had a plan in place which was approved. Not exactly true, since the regulations dictated on who would take the role as the Commander of such a firearms operation, discounting whether or not a higher ranking firearm officer attended such an incident afterwards, or much later on..Adams stated that he felt Montgomery wanted to take over, ( not entirely true, since PS Adams was devastated by the fact that the body count part of, let's say, his operation, had altered, and been interfered with by PI Montgomery taking control of a separate part of the firearm operation, involving the displacement or movement of victims bodies, and invariably the plain fact that during PS Adams shift as the Commander of the operation Although Sheila who was the female body found in the kitchen presumed as being shot dead, PS Adams must have realized, that in fact at the time he was the Commander of the operation, that in fact Sheila had not died as a result of a single shot to the neck, she had survived, and made her way by whatever means upstairs into her parents bedroom and collapsed on top of her parents bed. It should come as no surprise, that Sheila collapsed on the side of her parents bed, where her dad, Ralph Neville Bamber always slept!but we can only assume higher authorities chose to stick with the team in place They had no option, but to go along with protocol..and plan proposed. The planning came after Sheila recovered in the kitchen made her way upstairs before collapsing onto her parents bed at the side where her dad always slept!

And, which has resulted, in the here and now...

[mike tesko]

Anyone, who claims I am saying, or that I have said, that police moved Sheila Caffells body, from the downstairs kitchen, upstairs to her parents bedroom, where police then faked her alleged suicide, you are all mistaken since I make no such claim, and in any event I do not subscribe to the possibility of such an occurence!

[mike tesko]

Anyone, who claims I am saying, or that I have said, that police moved Sheila Caffells body, from the downstairs kitchen, upstairs to her parents bedroom, where police then faked her alleged suicide, you are all mistaken since I make no such claim, and in any event I do not subscribe to the possibility of such an occurence!

There was/were 'two bodies downstairs, and a further three bodies upstairs, which became transfigured into an alternative arrangement, whereby later on there was only the body of Ralph Neville Bamber downstairs in the main kitchen, with by that point, the other four dead bodies upstairs, in two of the four bedrooms!

[mike tesko]

Anyone, who claims I am saying, or that I have said, that police moved Sheila Caffells body, from the downstairs kitchen, upstairs to her parents bedroom, where police then faked her alleged suicide, you are all mistaken since I make no such claim, and in any event I do not subscribe to the possibility of such an occurence!

But with 100% certainty I can and I do maintain that senior officers authorised the displacement of Sheila Caffells body from on top of her parents bed  (just let's say, on the side of the bed where her dad always slept), under the 'guise of   
  'INFORMÀTIVES' , lifting and shifting her body which at that stage only bore one bullet entry to her neck onto the bedroom floor!

Thereafter, she received 'a second shot under the chin', I will leave it up to every individual to work out in your own minds, how and in what circumstances, this happened!


   

[Kaldin]

Wouldn't there be blood on Nevill's side of the bed?

[mike tesko]

Wouldn't there be blood on Nevill's side of the bed?

Not from Neville Bamber, 'no' because he was not shot in his bedroom!

Cop's faked the scenario that Neville Bamber had been shot four times non- fatally upstairs in his bedroom (refer to the four spent cartridge cases, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3, and DRH/4) added later on to the main bedroom crime scene tally!

[Kaldin]

Not from Neville Bamber, 'no' because he was not shot in his bedroom!

Cop's faked the scenario that Neville Bamber had been shot four times non- fatally upstairs in his bedroom (refer to the four spent cartridge cases, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3, and DRH/4) added later on to the main bedroom crime scene tally!

I meant blood from Sheila if she had been on the bed after being shot once.

[Adam]

Not from Neville Bamber, 'no' because he was not shot in his bedroom!

Cop's faked the scenario that Neville Bamber had been shot four times non- fatally upstairs in his bedroom (refer to the four spent cartridge cases, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3, and DRH/4) added later on to the main bedroom crime scene tally!

Where did Sheila shoot Nevill, Mike?