Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6908.msg322096.html#msg322096

[Kaldin]

Do you think it was Crispy?

Nobody pulled her legs.

[Adam]

Nobody pulled her legs.

Not another COA expert who is wrong.

[Kaldin]

Not another COA expert who is wrong.

If Sheila's head had been propped up on the cabinet after the second shot, the blood would have gone in a different direction.

[David1819]

If Sheila's head had been propped up on the cabinet after the second shot, the blood would have gone in a different direction.

The guy who said this had a degree in chemistry. Maybe he should have took physics.

[Kaldin]

The guy who said this had a degree in chemistry. Maybe he should have took physics.

Yes. 

[mike tesko]

This is after they entered, the knocks are the police entering then announcing!

'Voices heard over the phone' - so much for a stealthy silent approach by members of the six man raid party, in such difficult circumstances...

Here is the interesting part linked to entry of the main kitchen, prior to the discovery of two dead bodies found in the main kitchen upon entry (the body of one dead male and the body of one dead female) - I pose the following question, 'How many blows of the sledge hammer were used to force open the external rear farmhouse door'?

Five?
Four?
Three?
Two?

or

One?

       

[mike tesko]

[/b] 'How many blows of the sledge hammer were used to force open the external rear farmhouse door'?

Five?
Four?
Three?
Two?

or

One?

       

Well, here we are at the crux of the matter, with no official account by the police officer who smashed open the external farmhouse door with use of a police sledge Hammer, in particular how many swings of the sledge hammer which were used to smash open the external farm house door?

In 'my guesstimation', it would have taken as few as three sledge hammer blows to gain access through that external farmhouse door, but I also bear in mind that potentially it could have taken four sledge hammer blows 'maximum' to gain entry...

[mike tesko]

In 'my guesstimation', it would have taken as few as three sledge hammer blows to gain access through that external farmhouse door, but I also bear in mind that potentially it could have taken four sledge hammer blows 'maximum' to gain entry...

'One blow of sledge hammer' (1) to top hinge of external farmhouse door..

'One blow of sledge hammer' (2) to lower hinge of the same door..

'One or two blows of sledge hammer'  (3) & (4) in region of door lock mechanism of the same door..

No damage report on rear farmhouse door, confirming, one way or another exactly how many blows of a police sledge hammer was used to smash down the external farmhouse door?

The shot which originally 'non fatally wounded  Sheila Caffell' was almost certainly reference to the fifth 'bang' mentioned in the control room log of the events.....

[mike tesko]

Then of course, we have PS Woodcocks witness statement with its missing pages and its inserted (added) pages, which just per chance gets altered, amended, edited (call it what you like), at the point when he entered the kitchen via the blocked off internal kitchen / back hallway door...

You see, its at that very juncture that the details of both firearm operations became altered and changed enabling what was a two body presence downstairs in the kitchen narrative, to become transformed into a one body in the kitchen scenario with the other four bodies all upstairs...

Two parts to the same firearms operation...

First part - 3.48am, until about 8.15am, followed by a reenactment (stage managing of the scene) by headquarter cops and headquarters SOCO (1st team) from about 9am until 10am, then the rearranged crime scenes were duly handed over to the Witham officers, and the second SOCO team consisting of DI Cook, DS Davidson, DC Hammersley and PC Bird who made out that prior to them taking control of the crime scene at 10am, that all five bodies had remained insitu, where they had been found two and a half hours previously (7.35am, or thereabouts), untouched, undisturbed, by anyone or/and no-one!

Imagine what evidence would have been lost by delaying access of SOCO's directly into the farmhouse as soon as the first firearm operation ended at 8.10am ( the Commander of the operation being PS Adams, at that stage)?

Five dead bodies already identified by then, two bodies downstairs, three bodies upstairs, yet on the official version of events leaked publicly, it would be one hour and 50 minutes before any SOCO team entered the farmhouse, despite the fact that the Witham SOCO team were all present at the farmhouse by 9.20am, at the very latest - if true, why keep the Witham SOCO team from taking full control of the crime scene for a further 40 minutes (until 10am)?

[Adam]

Then of course, we have PS Woodcocks witness statement with its missing pages and its inserted (added) pages, which just per chance gets altered, amended, edited (call it what you like), at the point when he entered the kitchen via the blocked off internal kitchen / back hallway door...

You see, its at that very juncture that the details of both firearm operations became altered and changed enabling what was a two body presence downstairs in the kitchen narrative, to become transformed into a one body in the kitchen scenario with the other four bodies all upstairs...

Two parts to the same firearms operation...

First part - 3.48am, until about 8.15am, followed by a reenactment (stage managing of the scene by headquarter cops and SOCO from about 9am until 10am, then the rearranged crime scenes were duly handed over to the Witham officers, and the second SOCO team consisting of DI Cook, DS Davidson, DC Hammersley and PC Bird who made out that prior to them taking control of the crime scene at 10am, that all five bodies had remained insitu, where they had been found two and a half hours previously (7.35am, or thereabouts), untouched, undisturbed, by anyone or/and no-one!

Imagine what evidence could have been lost by delaying access of SOCO's directly into the farmhouse as soon as the first firearm operation ended at 8.10am ( the Commander of the operation being PS Adams at that stage)?

Five dead bodies already identified by then, two bodies downstairs, three bodies upstairs, yet on the official version of events leaked publicly, it would be one hour and 50 minutes before any SOCO team entered the farmhouse, despite the fact that the With am SOCO team were all present at the farmhouse by 9.20am, at the very latest - if true, why keep the Witham SOCO team from taking full control of the crime scene for a further 40 minutes (until 10am)?

Thanks Mike.

Did you release a Youtube video regarding the silencers Mike? I had a look for it recently but could not find it.

[mike tesko]

You see, its at that very juncture that the details of both firearm operations became altered and changed enabling what was a two body presence downstairs in the kitchen narrative, to become transformed into a one body in the kitchen scenario with the other four bodies all upstairs...

Two parts to the same firearms operation...

Ask yourselves, why there is/are/ was/were two different firearm operation Commanders ( PS Adams and then PI Montgomery) if there was only one firearm operation?  There can only be one nominated firearm Commander in charge of any firearm operation, unless in exceptional circumstances!

[mike tesko]

Thanks Mike.

Did you release a Youtube video regarding the silencers Mike? I had a look for it recently but could not find it.

Adam - no I did not but I shall try and find some spare time and look into this..

[Adam]

Adam - no I did not but I shall try and find some spare time and look into this..

Thanks Mike. Look forward to viewing it.

[mike tesko]

Thanks Mike. Look forward to viewing it.

Adam, so do I, for the greater good and better understanding by us mere mortals who exist in the shadow of the 'Universal Conscience' of the earth, under heaven, and above that place we refer to, as hell..