Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?

[Kaldin]

JB's testimony varies a little bit, but generally, he made it safe, and left outside the kitchen, but the boots in the hallway.
However, on the night in question he is alleged to have told the officers on the scene that he had left it on the table, loaded.

That may be a false recollection, or equally it may have been erroneous on JB's part, or a deliberate exaggeration, either from genuine concern to progress matters quickly, or from a more sinister attempt to paint a picture of increasingly probable tragedy.

Who said he told them he left the gun on the kitchen table?

[Caroline]

There was also a shotgun upstairs which had Sheila's fingerprints on it. AE found it there.

There wasn't.

[Caroline]

Indeed. Out of context, the logs says 'Firearms talking to someone inside the farm' (or words to that effect). But the logs also state numerous times - 'no response'.

'Someone inside the farm' can be interpreted as a physical being inside the house, or simple an insider who is au fait with the house and the family, i.e. Jeremy.

The logs TRY to be as good a record as possible, but they are written on the fly and prone to error, or due to their relative brevity, missing a wider context. This is why testimony is given afterwards to elaborate on the detail, or clear up any ambiguities (accepting that sometimes, some will remain).

Actually, this part of the log is always misquoted, I used to do it myself. It actually states 'Firearms in conversation with a PERSON inside the FARM. Challenge to PERSONS inside the HOUSE, met with no response" - There is a clear distinction between person and persons, and farm and house. The raid team mentioned being in conversation with Jeremy and it's obvious that they are referring to him on the first part of the sentence. This has been manipulated over the years to try and suggest olice were talking to Sheila.

[lookout]

There wasn't.

It was in the upstairs office.

[Caroline]

It was in the upstairs office.

Lookout, you keeps saying this but have no reference point for it.

[lookout]

It was in the upstairs office.

AE had said so in her statement.

[Caroline]

AE had said so in her statement.

There was shotgun in the office, the downstairs office but it's didn't have Sheila's prints on it.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Who said he told them he left the gun on the kitchen table?

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

He is alleged to have told the Police this at the crime scene on the night in question. Which specific offer is not known (yet).

[Caroline]

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

He is alleged to have told the Police this at the crime scene on the night in question. Which specific offer is not known (yet).

I believe Miller mentioned this in one of the video's but giving Bamber the benefit of the doubt, officers may just not have known that he meant by 'settle' and assumed he meant table.

[lookout]

There was shotgun in the office, the downstairs office but it's didn't have Sheila's prints on it.

It did when it was tested .

[Jane]

It did when it was tested .

Ah! Perhaps one of the children had picked it up and Sheila took it away from him? In any case, IF it's true, it's of no moment because the killing was done with a rifle.

[Caroline]

Ah! Perhaps one of the children had picked it up and Sheila took it away from him? In any case, IF it's true, it's of no moment because the killing was done with a rifle.

It's not.

[Janet ((Formerly known as Takeshi))]

I know I've seen such a record and that's that. Laugh all you like but I won't be the one left laughing on the other side of my face.

[Caroline]

Yes, we have all seen the log and AGAIN, it wasn't written by Collins, it wasn't written by someone at the scene, it was written by someone trying to make sense of what he/she was being told over a radio.

[Janet ((Formerly known as Takeshi))]

Yes, we have all seen the log and AGAIN, it wasn't written by Collins, it wasn't written by someone at the scene, it was written by someone trying to make sense of what he/she was being told over a radio.

I was simply showing a copy of a log where it refers to one dead male and one dead female, since Jane seemed to doubt it's existance.