Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?

[lookout]

Absolutely she could.
However, she would then have to do the following:

1) Regain consciousness, or composure quite rapidly
2) Negotiate the door by which the Firearms Unit were about to enter, OR negotiate a very cluttered, generally unused staircase, and do so without them noticing
3) Leave no evidence of her presence post Nevill death
4) Carry out her own suicide without it being heard

Equally, the Firearms Team would also surely say 'The body we saw has gone!' - they didn't do that. The most plausible explanation why they didn't was because the single body they HAD seen was there. Nevill's body.

Sheila wouldn't have been injured at that point to have enabled her to run up stairs. Only when she'd realised that she would have been closer to being " captured " would she then commit suicide as the two shots would have been in quick succession given her exertion as her finger would already have remained in firing mode.
Evidence of her being the last to die is seen quite clearly from photo's.

[lookout]

But it wasn't a counting mistake per se. The mistake came from listening in to radio comms, and misinterpreting the relayed information.

If i was listening in to conversation between a driver and a passenger giving instructions, and I heard 'Left, right' does that mean Left and THEN a right, or could it be that right is a correction to the left instruction?
This is almost certainly what happened in the communications error. It's not a failure to count.

We don't have access to the actual radio recordings, only the manually interpreted log. It would only take a single word to be mishead '1 dead female, no, 1 dead male' could be misheard as '1 dead female, 'n' 1 dead male' for it to be relayed as 2 dead.

Judging by everything else that occurred or didn't during the investigation, I'd be happier if I'd heard the logs via audio than someone's cobbled events of how/what had happened.

[Jane]

Sheila wouldn't have been injured at that point to have enabled her to run up stairs. Only when she'd realised that she would have been closer to being " captured " would she then commit suicide as the two shots would have been in quick succession given her exertion as her finger would already have remained in firing mode.
Evidence of her being the last to die is seen quite clearly from photo's.

Well, a finger would have had to be in pulling mode, once the gun was reversed into suicide mode, it's her thumb she'd have needed to employ in a pushing mode.............that's after organizing herself into preparing to commit suicide mode....................and why, with a mother she'd allegedly detested, rather than her boys whom she adored?

[lookout]

Well, a finger would have had to be in pulling mode, once the gun was reversed into suicide mode, it's her thumb she'd have needed to employ in a pushing mode.............that's after organizing herself into preparing to commit suicide mode....................and why, with a mother she'd allegedly detested, rather than her boys whom she adored?

Since I came to learn that Sheila had previously made two attempts on her life, using her thumb would have been the last of her thoughts/efforts.

[lookout]

Sheila's determination to end her life once and for all must have been on her mind for all of that day and as the environment was one that she hadn't particularly enjoyed and the thoughts going through her head of her mother, ex-husband and her deranged thoughts about her sons, then less support given by her father had proved too much to bear.

[lookout]

Didn't one log state " 1 body of female and 1 body of a male on entry ?"

[Caroline]

Didn't one log state " 1 body of female and 1 body of a male on entry ?"

No.

[Caroline]

No.

The way the logs are written (by individuals NOT at the scene), have allowed the words to be manipulated - nothing more.

[lookout]

The way the logs are written (by individuals NOT at the scene), have allowed the words to be manipulated - nothing more.

Well you would say that wouldn't you ?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Sheila wouldn't have been injured at that point to have enabled her to run up stairs. Only when she'd realised that she would have been closer to being " captured " would she then commit suicide as the two shots would have been in quick succession given her exertion as her finger would already have remained in firing mode.
Evidence of her being the last to die is seen quite clearly from photo's.

So your supposition is that she was pretending to be unconscious in the kitchen? That she was actually already conscious and uninjured and fully aware that she was about to be caught, with all her family dead, but only elected to shoot herself at the last moment - which ran the risk of being prevented?
Could you explain the physiology of 'firing mode' finger? And would you care to explain how double head shot suicides account for less that 4% of head shot suicides given the existence of the supposed 'firing mode' finger?
In Sheila's case, the weapon was less than an ideal one for suicide which only adds to the incredulity of your assertion.

Sure, the best vantage point for a fully able Sheila would be upstairs - this gives her the longest period of time to shoot herself AND monitor progress of the Firearms Unit - as opposed to the kitchen which offers severely limited scope for observation?

Let us not forget, that the Police had been observing for a number of hours, suggesting the other 4 people in the house were already dead, but she locates herself in the kitchen, pretends to be dead, then runs upstairs without detection.

Well, it's a theory, I'll give you that.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Sheila's determination to end her life once and for all must have been on her mind for all of that day and as the environment was one that she hadn't particularly enjoyed and the thoughts going through her head of her mother, ex-husband and her deranged thoughts about her sons, then less support given by her father had proved too much to bear.

And yet, she took hours to carry out the final act itself?
You're suggesting she was suicidal, but she kills the rest of her family first, then takes hours to kill herself.
Tokien wasn't this good.

[sami]

Well you would say that wouldn't you ?

cant win ,you asked a question when you got the reply you come up with the above sentence

[Caroline]

cant win ,you asked a question when you got the reply you come up with the above sentence

I'm used to it Sami.

[Caroline]

And yet, she took hours to carry out the final act itself?
You're suggesting she was suicidal, but she kills the rest of her family first, then takes hours to kill herself.
Tokien wasn't this good.

Not only that, the police would have known and yet chose to convict Bamber and make themselves look stupid.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

I'm actually still open to the possibility of Sheila doing it, not by much, but it's still a vague possibility for me - but I couldn't defend the view that the Police really did see two bodies and confirmed them dead (but she wasn't dead, she was uninjured and feigning it), then ran upstairs at the last minute and killed herself.

Of course, her finger was in 'trigger mode', something the rest of the world failed to appreciate.
Not only that, we have a full insight into her thought process - again a world exclusive.