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Offline Adam

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2015, 05:13:PM »
It is my suspicion that if Sheila's body was moved from the kitchen to the upstairs that it must have been the police, as Jeremy was outside the house at the time. But I doubt very much if we will ever see such a confession as that one?

The police moved Sheila from the kitchen to the bedroom. Why ?
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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2015, 05:18:PM »
The position of Sheilas' body in the bedroom would certainly have you believe that she'd just been placed there,along with the rifle and the Bible,so not far-fetched to think that she'd been carried upstairs. She was " too straight and unruffled " for my liking. I reckon that her head would have been left tilted,hence the collection of blood.Plus blood from both sides of her mouth denotes movement of her head.

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2015, 05:27:PM »
The police moved Sheila from the kitchen to the bedroom. Why ?

The whole point is that we don't know why or if these things happened - all you have to go on are the logs that were not released for 19 years.


One male one female found in kitchen on entry  three further bodies found upstairs .

5.25 - officers in conversation with person from WHF

So what you are asking is for us to make assumptions about what happened. What we are saying is why would experienced trained officers make so many mistakes and then try and hide those mistakes.


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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2015, 05:28:PM »
The position of Sheilas' body in the bedroom would certainly have you believe that she'd just been placed there,along with the rifle and the Bible,so not far-fetched to think that she'd been carried upstairs. She was " too straight and unruffled " for my liking. I reckon that her head would have been left tilted,hence the collection of blood.Plus blood from both sides of her mouth denotes movement of her head.

Perhaps Bamber placed her there. Rather than the police taking her upstairs.

Poor Neville left on his own. Brutally beaten, shot and dead in the kitchen. His head in a coal scuttle. Thanks Mr Policeman. And thanks Sheila for thanking Neville for the free summer holiday.
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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2015, 05:36:PM »
The whole point is that we don't know why or if these things happened - all you have to go on are the logs that were not released for 19 years.


One male one female found in kitchen on entry  three further bodies found upstairs .

5.25 - officers in conversation with person from WHF

So what you are asking is for us to make assumptions about what happened. What we are saying is why would experienced trained officers make so many mistakes and then try and hide those mistakes.

My thread post already explained the two bodies in the kitchen log.

The three bodies upstairs may have been before they saw Sheila.
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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2015, 05:36:PM »
Perhaps Bamber placed her there. Rather than the police taking her upstairs.

Poor Neville left on his own. Brutally beaten, shot and dead in the kitchen. His head in a coal scuttle. Thanks Mr Policeman. And thanks Sheila for thanking Neville for the free summer holiday.

Your are resorting to sarcasm again instead of discussion.

The original evidence said that Sheila could have walked around for a short time after the initial shot.

Why did the police not correct their mistake?

why did they say three bodies upstairs if they had made a mistake thinking Neville was june .

Why does it say one male and one female ? rather than one female?

Why do the photos show a chair against the door where they broke in?



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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2015, 05:38:PM »
Your are resorting to sarcasm again instead of discussion.

The original evidence said that Sheila could have walked around for a short time after the initial shot.

Why did the police not correct their mistake?

why did they say three bodies upstairs if they had made a mistake thinking Neville was june .

Why does it say one male and one female ? rather than one female?

Why do the photos show a chair against the door where they broke in?

Well the police officer outside saw a lock of blonde hair and thought Neville was a woman. You know this.
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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2015, 05:41:PM »
Well the police officer outside saw a lock of blonde hair and thought Neville was a woman. You know this.

they were both grey - but why does it say one MALE and one FEMALE - why does it not say one FEMALE? On the logs?

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2015, 05:42:PM »
they were both grey - but why does it say one MALE and one FEMALE - why does it not say one FEMALE? On the logs?

It should say one male on the submitted log. As it was Neville.
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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2015, 05:46:PM »
It should say one male on the submitted log. As it was Neville.

but it doesn't say that .

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2015, 05:47:PM »
Well the police officer outside saw a lock of blonde hair and thought Neville was a woman. You know this.


Interesting, that. Sheila's hair was dark and Neville's was practically colourless. Was there A THIRD body which disappeared?

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2015, 05:49:PM »
The police moved Sheila from the kitchen to the bedroom. Why ?
If they accidentally shot her that's why. So the best option for them was to re-arrange the scene.

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2015, 05:50:PM »
but it doesn't say that .

So the completed log done hours or days after the raid team entered WHF,  says Sheila was in the kitchen, rather than Neville.

Guess the picture of Neville must have been a hoax.
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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2015, 05:51:PM »
The whole point is that we don't know why or if these things happened - all you have to go on are the logs that were not released for 19 years.


One male one female found in kitchen on entry  three further bodies found upstairs .

5.25 - officers in conversation with person from WHF

So what you are asking is for us to make assumptions about what happened. What we are saying is why would experienced trained officers make so many mistakes and then try and hide those mistakes.
Yes if there was reported one female and one male upon entry then it would be logical to assume that the bodies were moved whilst Bamber was outside with the police.

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2015, 05:52:PM »
It should say one male on the submitted log. As it was Neville.


If they made the mistake you say - why do the records say this:


The Occupants of CA07, also passed an updated  message from the scene timed at 7:38am:-

1 (one) dead male
1 (one) dead female found upon entry to premises

Request:-

(1) SOC to attend
(2) Chief Supt. Divisional to attend (on way)
(3) Divisional DCI to attend
(4) Police surgeon to attend
(5) Corners officer to attend informed only

The control room received this information and acted upon it by 7:41am...


then at 8.10 - three further bodies found  - so over half an hour to correct their mistake .