Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?

[Adam]

There is a perfectly logical explanation for the initial 'two bodies in the kitchen' report.

An officer looking into the kitchen from outside by mistake reported a woman (Neville) in the kitchen. A raid team officer gained entrance and then reported the same person, a male (Neville) in the kitchen. In error on the night this became 'one male & one female' in the kitchen.

This has not stopped Bamber, decades later claiming Sheila was in the kitchen ( with a bullet in her neck). She went upstairs after the raid team entered WHF without being seen. Then shot herself again upstairs.  The police/raid team being so ashamed of this they decided to frame Bamber. One month later. No one breaking ranks in 29 years.

Was the rifle upstairs ? There has never been a report of a rifle being seen in the kitchen.

That means Sheila shot herself upstairs. Then went downstairs to the kitchen without the rifle.  Then back up stairs after the raid team entered (without being seen), to shoot herself again. 

Quite why Sheila went downstairs to the kitchen after shooting herself once upstairs I do not know. If she wanted to commit suicide, why not shoot herself again upstairs straight away ?

Or she shot herself downstairs in the kitchen. Went upstairs and left the rifle there. Then went back downstairs to the kitchen without the rifle. Then went back upstairs after the raid team entered WHF to shoot herself again (without being seen). Again quite why she would do all this I do not know.

A lot of walking for a woman with a bullet in her neck. She also magically avoided getting vertical blood lines or blood on her hands during her walk abouts.

The pathologist said it would have been impossible to shoot herself twice. The pain and shock of the first bullet being so great. However it seems that Sheila not only shot herself twice, but went on extended walk abouts. There were also two cartridges next to Sheila upstairs.

Is it for closure on the 'two bodies found in the kitchen' claim ?

[lookout]

 What are you trying to do,close the forum down ??

As it is,I've " lost " my name when I'm signed in and the search facility has vanished,so it's half-gone already.

[Jane]

1. There usually is.

2. IMO probably the most logical thing you've ever said . It makes perfect sense.................

3. ..................sadly marred by tommy rot. The only way Jeremy could make claims about Sheila being dead in the kitchen is if someone else TOLD him.

4. I haven't read anything about a gun being found in the kitchen.

5. If that is your scenario of choice.

6. As you're the only one suggesting this your question is rhetorical.

7. This statement is a good indication of why few/ANY(?) of us take you seriously.

8. DITTO

9. Other EXPERTS have judged it unlikely but NOT impossible.

10. Probably, if only to save us from another interminable thread.

[Adam]

1. There usually is.

2. IMO probably the most logical thing you've ever said . It makes perfect sense.................

3. ..................sadly marred by tommy rot. The only way Jeremy could make claims about Sheila being dead in the kitchen is if someone else TOLD him.

4. I haven't read anything about a gun being found in the kitchen.

5. If that is your scenario of choice.

6. As you're the only one suggesting this your question is rhetorical.

7. This statement is a good indication of why few/ANY(?) of us take you seriously.

8. DITTO

9. Other EXPERTS have judged it unlikely but NOT impossible.

10. Probably, if only to save us from another interminable thread.

Thank you.

Perhaps you will be taken seriously if you tell everyone why you changed from 29 years innocent,  to guilty. After I joined.

[Alias]

Thank you.

Perhaps you will be taken seriously if you tell everyone why you changed from 29 years innocent,  to guilty. After I joined.

You just HAVE to be unpleasant - even when people you normally don´t get along with reach out an olive branch. Heck, even towards the only member here who always went out of her way to be kind to you! What is wrong with you?!

[Jane]

Thank you.

Perhaps you will be taken seriously if you tell everyone why you changed from 29 years innocent,  to guilty. After I joined.

It really gets to you why -according to you- I won't, doesn't it? I find that and the fact that had you taken the bother to actually READ my posts you'd have discovered that on 2, POSSIBLY 3, occasions, I have -no big deal.

[Jane]

You just HAVE to be unpleasant - even when people you normally don´t get along with reach out an olive branch. Heck, even towards the only member here who always went out of her way to be kind to you! What is wrong with you?!

Yes he does, Alias. Sadly it appears to be his nature....................and HIS loss.

[lookout]

What's known as a loser !!

[Adam]

You just HAVE to be unpleasant - even when people you normally don´t get along with reach out an olive branch. Heck, even towards the only member here who always went out of her way to be kind to you! What is wrong with you?!

Kind - saying no one takes me seriously. Yes very kind.

[Jan]

There is a perfectly logical explanation for the initial 'two bodies in the kitchen' report.

An officer looking into the kitchen from outside by mistake reported a woman (Neville) in the kitchen. A raid team officer gained entrance and then reported the same person, a male (Neville) in the kitchen. In error on the night this became 'one male & one female' in the kitchen.

This has not stopped Bamber, decades later claiming Sheila was in the kitchen ( with a bullet in her neck). She went upstairs after the raid team entered WHF without being seen. Then shot herself again upstairs.  The police/raid team being so ashamed of this they decided to frame Bamber. One month later. No one breaking ranks in 29 years.

Was the rifle upstairs ? There has never been a report of a rifle being seen in the kitchen.

That means Sheila shot herself upstairs. Then went downstairs to the kitchen without the rifle.  Then back up stairs after the raid team entered (without being seen), to shoot herself again. 

Quite why Sheila went downstairs to the kitchen after shooting herself once upstairs I do not know. If she wanted to commit suicide, why not shoot herself again upstairs straight away ?

Or she shot herself downstairs in the kitchen. Went upstairs and left the rifle there. Then went back downstairs to the kitchen without the rifle. Then went back upstairs after the raid team entered WHF to shoot herself again (without being seen). Again quite why she would do all this I do not know.

A lot of walking for a woman with a bullet in her neck. She also magically avoided getting vertical blood lines or blood on her hands during her walk abouts.

The pathologist said it would have been impossible to shoot herself twice. The pain and shock of the first bullet being so great. However it seems that Sheila not only shot herself twice, but went on extended walk abouts. There were also two cartridges next to Sheila upstairs.

Is it for closure on the 'two bodies found in the kitchen' claim ?

1) you should look at the timings of the logs before you try this angle and the log where three bodies were found upstairs
2) there is a report of a gun being found in the kitchen with red paint on the barrel by an officer


Now there are only two explanations - the police made mistakes in the logs ( that they withheld)
The logs and report of the gun in the kitchen were BOTH errors ( oh like the fact that they were in "conversation" with someone in WHF.


I obviously know which one you will chose 

Adam why do you think EP have refused to release the audio logs and video of the scene despite several requests? Oh and also the original documentation so it can be tested for editing?

[Jan]

Oh sorry point 2 - original primary source  Davidsons 1992 COLP interview.

[Mr. Gee]

What are you trying to do,close the forum down ??

As it is,I've " lost " my name when I'm signed in and the search facility has vanished,so it's half-gone already.

Unfortunately lookout Adam believes he is the last authoritative word on the Bamber case.

[Mr. Gee]

Kind - saying no one takes me seriously. Yes very kind.

Adam it isn't that no one takes you seriously. It's just that you constantly give the impression that you are the last word on everything. Take this thread for instance. Why start it if you keep suggesting that it is "time for closure". Now that for me seems that you will accept no one's opinion but your own? Not only that, but by so doing you are also implying that unless people accept your opinion then they are ignorant and foolish because they will not accept your word as gospel. And you wonder why people from both sides of the fence see you as being rather arrogant? I'm not trying to be nasty. Just saying that's all.

[lookout]

Unfortunately lookout Adam believes he is the last authoritative word on the Bamber case.

Doesn't he just ? How mistaken can he be ??

[Mr. Gee]

It is my suspicion that if Sheila's body was moved from the kitchen to the upstairs that it must have been the police, as Jeremy was outside the house at the time. But I doubt very much if we will ever see such a confession as that one?