Song For Jeremy Bamber (First version)

[Mr. Gee]

What if she was threatening to shoot herself Adam?

THAT is a good point.

[Adam]

Don't tell me he is wasting his time posting to me ? He knows he is on ignore.

Hope appreciates your seasonal wishes soon  (:

Yes you couldn't handle having to spend all you're time fire fighting my posts highlighting guilt.

But if I want to respond to any posts you write, I will. You will just have to hope someone else responds & includes my post in it. Which you have been relying on.

[Adam]

What if she was threatening to shoot herself Adam?

Both the prosecution and defence agreed the silencer was on the rifle for most of the crime. It was too long for her to shoot herself.

I don't know how ringing Bamber would help if she was threatening to shoot herself. However if Neville ever needed anyone to test the security at the caravan site...

[maggie]

THAT is a good point.

Have always felt that Sheila did first threaten to shoot herself and could have been the reason Neil needed help from Jeremy.

[Jan]

THAT is a good point.

I agree that is a good point and that could tie up with the words he used.

[Mr. Gee]

Both the prosecution and defence agreed the silencer was on the rifle for most of the crime. It was too long for her to shoot herself.

I don't know how ringing Bamber would help if she was threatening to shoot herself. However if Neville ever needed anyone to test the security at the caravan site...

If that was the case then they were both obviously wrong in my opinion. In fact if the defense agreed to that then they ought to have been ashamed of themselves in failing to spot the subterfuge behind the so called silencer evidence. You are too trusting Adam. Remember the hearts of men "are deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know them?"

[Caroline]

That's not a picture of you Caroline. You're far better looking than that.

Tis me but I was VERY, VERY drunk! 

[Mr. Gee]

Tis me but I was VERY, VERY drunk! 

Tis a small picture and difficult to see.

[Caroline]

Jeremy may have simply been mistaken about the time of Nevill's call and found himself corrected by the police timings later on. You can't read much into that.

On the other hand I'll grant you that it is worth considering the question of why Taff Jones didn't tell Ann Eaton he knew that Sheila was responsible to save himself trouble. I can give two possible reasons why not.

Firstly, at that time he did not feel threatened with the sack. He was a proud man. It's quite possible that that he didn't feel inclined to explain anything to Ann Eaton, because he merely saw her as a nuisance.

Secondly and more importantly there may have been a cover up in which decisions were made about what to reveal to the public and what not to reveal to them. When such decisions are taken, people simply follow orders. It's naïve to think that DCI Jones would have taken Robert Boutflour aside and said to him something along the lines of...

“Well I'll tell you what really happened on condition you promise not to reveal it to anybody.”

“We know that Sheila did it, but I have to admit that it was our men who stage managed her body in the bedroom.”

“Sheila was originally found downstairs but regained consciousness  and moved upstairs and died on the bed having put a bible on her chest."

"When she was on the bed it was obvious that she had not shot herself in that position, so our men just put the body on the floor to make it look like she's committed suicide upstairs."

"When they were positioning the rifle on her the gun accidentally fired"

Something like that might have happened and the theory has  evidence to support it. 

No high ranking police officer would even consider revealing such information and compromising the position of the police in that way. So it makes perfect sense that the police would refrain from telling the relatives the whole truth. Taff Jones may not have had the option of simply explaining things to the relatives to get them off his back. It just may not have been as simple as that.

You have used the word 'may' quite extensively - so in essence you are asking me to discount what was actually said (ie. the initial times Jeremy gave for Nevill's phone call to him), in favour of something which even you have to describe as only a possibility. The times Jeremy gave are a matter of record, the above is simply speculation. I don't believe the police killed Sheila and I haven't seen any evidence to support that they did. Far from being naive, I would need to see such evidence before I blindly accept it as a fact.

[Adam]

If that was the case then they were both obviously wrong in my opinion. In fact if the defense agreed to that then they ought to have been ashamed of themselves in failing to spot the subterfuge behind the so called silencer evidence. You are too trusting Adam. Remember the hearts of men "are deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know them?"

Well only Bamber has claimed the silencer was not used. He has to.

Focusing on it after his 1989 appeal failed. More tests were done and attempts to discredit the earlier tests made. Which all just highlighted it being Sheila's blood. The latest attempt being the expensive Arizona tests.

The prosecution said they had an 'overwhelming' case without it. The relatives also said there was enough evidence without it. However that didn't mean it should not be used as evidence, providing the lab results were favourable.

[Caroline]

Well only Bamber has claimed the silencer was not used. He has to.

Focusing on it after his 1989 appeal failed. More tests were done and attempts to discredit the earlier tests made. Which all just highlighted it being Sheila's blood. The latest attempt being the expensive Arizona tests.

The prosecution said they had an 'overwhelming' case without it. The relatives also said there was enough evidence without it. However that didn't mean it should not be used as evidence, providing the lab results were favourable.

They may have said it but that doesn't mean they did.

[Mr. Gee]

Well only Bamber has claimed the silencer was not used. He has to.

Focusing on it after his 1989 appeal failed. More tests were done and attempts to discredit the earlier tests made. Which all just highlighted it being Sheila's blood. The latest attempt being the expensive Arizona tests.

The prosecution said they had an 'overwhelming' case without it. The relatives also said there was enough evidence without it. However that didn't mean it should not be used as evidence, providing the lab results were favourable.

If that was so then why do you keep on about it as if it were essential to the prosecution case?

[Caroline]

If that was so then why do you keep on about it as if it were essential to the prosecution case?

Because he KNOWS it was. Said it before and I'll say it again ..... it was the Holy Grail.

[Mr. Gee]

Because he KNOWS it was. Said it before and I'll say it again ..... it was the Holy Grail.

Because Mugford's testimony was not enough without the silencer and vice versa?

[Mr. Gee]

Tis me but I was VERY, VERY drunk! 

You also look very blonde in the picture.........Erm.......That didn't come out right did it.