Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[maggie]

It would be so valuable to know the source of this . I will do some searching .

Have found a document in thread 'Monastery Link' Jan can't do links my laptops crashed but it is an account from a delivery man who claims to have seen Sheila in a distraught state leaving the monastery.

[Mr. Gee]

Well, it did after Jeremy put it there  (soz, couldn't resist)

There is absolutely no evidence that Bamber placed the gun on Sheila.

[susan]

Maggie ask Jan to look and see if Julie going to Australia is in there as well

[maggie]

Maggie ask Jan to look and see if Julie going to Australia is in there as well

Think You've just asked her but she's too busy delving to see the posts 

[lookout]

There is absolutely no evidence that Bamber placed the gun on Sheila.

There's no evidence that Sheila wasn't dead when Jeremy was sitting in the police car either. I reckon she was drifting in and out of consciousness before the team broke in. After the first ( her suicide shot ) went awry as it hit the jawbone.

[Mr. Gee]

There's no evidence that Sheila wasn't dead when Jeremy was sitting in the police car either. I reckon she was drifting in and out of consciousness before the team broke in. After the first ( her suicide shot ) went awry as it hit the jawbone.

I am fast coming to the conclusion that the police accidentally shot Sheila and that is the reason things don't add up. Because of the lengths they went to to cover up the real story? I don't care what excuses people give for the police alleged incompetence, Things just don't add up in my opinion?

[Caroline]

There's no evidence that Sheila wasn't dead when Jeremy was sitting in the police car either. I reckon she was drifting in and out of consciousness before the team broke in. After the first ( her suicide shot ) went awry as it hit the jawbone.

Or that she was alive.

[Mr. Gee]

Or that she was alive.

That is a negative and only throws the question back to you. Let us just say there is no evidence that she was dead or alive. Therefore Bamber should not have been tried for murder.

[Caroline]

That is a negative and only throws the question back to you. Let us just say there is no evidence that she was dead or alive. Therefore Bamber should not have been tried for murder.

If that were the only aspect to consider, that would be fine, but it's not.

[Jan]

If that were the only aspect to consider, that would be fine, but it's not.

Its interesting that you say that because I was looking through the 2002 appeal last night.

And what struck me was that although they admitted the Jury were not aware of quite a lot of information - it seemed to me they were saying -  that on its own would not have affected the jurys decision . But they said that several times - and I wonder if you added up all the little bits that the jury were not aware of if it would have swayed them ?

I am not commenting on guilt or innocence here - but we are asked to look at the bigger picture which apparently proves guilt - but when it comes to innocence apparently the bigger picture does not seem to count?

[Mr. Gee]

Its interesting that you say that because I was looking through the 2002 appeal last night.

And what struck me was that although they admitted the Jury were not aware of quite a lot of information - it seemed to me they were saying -  that on its own would not have affected the jurys decision . But they said that several times - and I wonder if you added up all the little bits that the jury were not aware of if it would have swayed them ?

I am not commenting on guilt or innocence here - but we are asked to look at the bigger picture which apparently proves guilt - but when it comes to innocence apparently the bigger picture does not seem to count?

Let's put it this way Jan. I suspect if the same case came up today with the same stuff put up as evidence that Bamber would be found not guilty.

[Caroline]

Its interesting that you say that because I was looking through the 2002 appeal last night.

And what struck me was that although they admitted the Jury were not aware of quite a lot of information - it seemed to me they were saying -  that on its own would not have affected the jurys decision . But they said that several times - and I wonder if you added up all the little bits that the jury were not aware of if it would have swayed them ?

I am not commenting on guilt or innocence here - but we are asked to look at the bigger picture which apparently proves guilt - but when it comes to innocence apparently the bigger picture does not seem to count?

It counts for both but depending on which side you're on, different things will seem important.

[lookout]

I am fast coming to the conclusion that the police accidentally shot Sheila and that is the reason things don't add up. Because of the lengths they went to to cover up the real story? I don't care what excuses people give for the police alleged incompetence, Things just don't add up in my opinion?

You've only to compare the dried,cracked blood around Sheilas' mouth,to that of the " fresher " blood on the second neck injury to notice the difference in the times of having been shot,as the warmth from her body would have dried that which was at the corners of her mouth,yet the neck wound seemed more fresh in comparison.
Sheila,as I explained yesterday,could have been in and out of consciousness after the first neck/jaw wound,then received the final shot some time later as the gun was being moved. An accident gone wrong, by an officer who'd not realised that it was a semi-automatic rifle ready to go off. Allegedly !

[Adam]

The blazing row was at a caravan site business meeting. So must have been about this.

Bamber wanted more of a say in this business. Running the caravan site would mean he could wear his nice suits and avoid long hours working on the farm. But Neville said he had no business sense.

Bamber had previously rejected a suggestion that Sheila have shares in the caravan site. His WS says there was talk about Sheila moving into his newly decorated cottage. Could it be that Neville had decided to also give Sheila some caravan site shares ?

Or had Bamber made a suggestion on how it should be managed, which was rejected by Neville ?

[lookout]

At least Jeremy didn't give his dad a black eye like the relative did ! Thumping an old man-despicable !!