Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[Jane]

My own " theory " on that would be that Jeremy,awakened by a call,half asleep,answered it and probably THOUGHT it was his father. Jeremy would have had the call alright, but it WASN'T his father. All Jeremy would have heard would have been the urgency of it as opposed to whether it was his father or not.
Jeremy was totally in the dark as to what was going on.
Phone was left off the hook  at WHF" for effect " and to stop anyone from ringing,as Neville was in no position to phone anyone,besides there having been blood all over it,he was very likely already dead at the time.

And how would Mr X know Jeremy's phone number? How did Mr X gain entry at that time of night?

[Jan]

My own " theory " on that would be that Jeremy,awakened by a call,half asleep,answered it and probably THOUGHT it was his father. Jeremy would have had the call alright, but it WASN'T his father. All Jeremy would have heard would have been the urgency of it as opposed to whether it was his father or not.
Jeremy was totally in the dark as to what was going on.
Phone was left off the hook  at WHF" for effect " and to stop anyone from ringing,as Neville was in no position to phone anyone,besides there having been blood all over it,he was very likely already dead at the time.

NGB acknowledged he (NB)  may have been coerced into the call but it wont be used at an appeal as there is no evidence.

[Caroline]

My own " theory " on that would be that Jeremy,awakened by a call,half asleep,answered it and probably THOUGHT it was his father. Jeremy would have had the call alright, but it WASN'T his father. All Jeremy would have heard would have been the urgency of it as opposed to whether it was his father or not.
Jeremy was totally in the dark as to what was going on.
Phone was left off the hook  at WHF" for effect " and to stop anyone from ringing,as Neville was in no position to phone anyone,besides there having been blood all over it,he was very likely already dead at the time.

Sorry Lookout, as a theory it's VERY unlikely. If he wanted Jeremy to come over so he could kill him also - why did he also call the police and pretend to be Nevill?

[Jan]

Sorry Lookout, as a theory it's VERY unlikely. If he wanted Jeremy to come over so he could kill him also - why did he also call the police and pretend to be Nevill?

I thought the jury was out on the call from Neville to the police?

[Jane]

To me that is not the point - the point is that he was a murderer, not what he appeared to be.

Are you saying that you know, in advance, that someone -one of your friend- will commit murder in 7 years time?

[Jan]

BTW one things in Healeys book that I don't think are substantiated but I have heard it elsewhere- Sheilas debt for Cocaine £40000? that was an awful lot of money .

[Jan]

Are you saying that you know, in advance, that someone -one of your friend- will commit murder in 7 years time?

that could apply to Jeremy or Sheila 

And  according to Healey there was a tipping point . He cant have been that bad or he would not have been friends with Neville in the past.

[Alias]

Are you saying that you know, in advance, that someone -one of your friend- will commit murder in 7 years time?

Of course not!
I have to be honest, I am not quite sure what you mean, maybe I am slow today!

I was saying that I went, HUH, when I heard about a man having threatened the Bambers with a gun and shot his wife and himself one year later. I don´t understand how that has anything to do with how he seemed to be before it all happened.

Edit: shot his wife and himself one year after the WHF murders.

[Jane]

BTW one things in Healeys book that I don't think are substantiated but I have heard it elsewhere- Sheilas debt for Cocaine £40000? that was an awful lot of money .

Hmm, I rather think whoever gave him the information was on it BIG time.

[lookout]

And how would Mr X know Jeremy's phone number? How did Mr X gain entry at that time of night?

He'd have entered the same way that everyone thought Jeremy did.Phone numbers inside farmhouse.

[Jan]

Hmm, I rather think whoever gave him the information was on it BIG time.

I think it came from newspaper reports at the time I am not sure - I will check the book again

[lookout]

Sorry Lookout, as a theory it's VERY unlikely. If he wanted Jeremy to come over so he could kill him also - why did he also call the police and pretend to be Nevill?

He'd have thought it was what Neville would have done anyway,call the police. It made it look all the more that it was Jeremy. The killer possibly thought that Jeremy would bomb it there straight away before he,Jeremy called the police himself.

[lookout]

BTW one things in Healeys book that I don't think are substantiated but I have heard it elsewhere- Sheilas debt for Cocaine £40000? that was an awful lot of money .

It's in Claire Powells' book Jan.

[Jane]

that could apply to Jeremy or Sheila 

And  according to Healey there was a tipping point . He cant have been that bad or he would not have been friends with Neville in the past.

Jan, the man I knew was a great guy. He kept his workers. The locals treated him as one of them. He was generous to a fault...........................BUT he had a highly volatile temper and was hotheaded beyond belief. Either I never gave him cause OR he worked hard at keeping it from me because he didn't want me to know. I suspect the former because if he HAD lost it he wouldn't have cared who knew.

[Mr. Gee]

Not if you'd known him, Alias. True, he did a lot of shouting his mouth off and waving his gun around but he never -to my knowledge- fired it. To my knowledge, he never threatened Augusta, which may have been why her mother allowed him into the house, he shot her then turned the gun on himself.

Didn't he parade his wife around a pub with a toilet seat round her neck? That came from Campion junior.