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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #165 on: January 03, 2015, 03:02:PM »





It is interesting,I must get that one,as it's written by a man " who knows ".Yes I knew about the rifle he pointed at the two of them.This is why I brought the Bell subject up last night,as this would account for the way Neville felt about " I mustn't turn my back on that young man " when he'd said it to BW.
Jeremy got the blame for that because it suited everones' scenario/theory,even BW's when she was in the wrong company and easily led.


Lookout, Neville would hardly refer to Jimmy as a "young man". They were similar in age.

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #166 on: January 03, 2015, 03:06:PM »

Lookout, Neville would hardly refer to Jimmy as a "young man". They were similar in age.





He might just have been being polite. ;D

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« Reply #167 on: January 03, 2015, 03:06:PM »
The writer seems convinced that Jimmy bell was involved in other things that went on as well.

You see if that rifle was by the window as stated by Jeapes then it is possible the whole suicide was actually not "faked " by Jeremy after all.

Could someone have faked the call from Neville?

I again will state I am not saying any of that is even possible but the writer said that he felt that the serious threat by a man with the same type of rifle should have been taken into account. Plus the report of the man leaving WHF .

These after all are not theories - they are documented events . And yet witnesses who claim to know about Jeremys sexual preferences are allowed to speak without substantiated evidence ( the police loved the fact that he might be in their words a "poof" )

As to the thread title was it just a bit of an argument - in a family business  that was probably not unusual that was blown up to suit the circumstance? Only  a few people know the truth about that.

That is not impossible.


How often are people threatened with a gun and have bullets thrown at them?? It should absolutely have been taken into account!

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #168 on: January 03, 2015, 03:13:PM »

That is not impossible.


How often are people threatened with a gun and have bullets thrown at them?? It should absolutely have been taken into account!





I agree. Also a rifle along with a threat made in anger. I still reckon that somebody wanted Jeremy dead too.

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #169 on: January 03, 2015, 03:14:PM »
The writer seems convinced that Jimmy bell was involved in other things that went on as well.

You see if that rifle was by the window as stated by Jeapes then it is possible the whole suicide was actually not "faked " by Jeremy after all.

Could someone have faked the call from Neville?

I again will state I am not saying any of that is even possible but the writer said that he felt that the serious threat by a man with the same type of rifle should have been taken into account. Plus the report of the man leaving WHF .

These after all are not theories - they are documented events . And yet witnesses who claim to know about Jeremys sexual preferences are allowed to speak without substantia
ted evidence ( the police loved the fact that he might be in their words a "poof" )

As to the thread title was it just a bit of an argument - in a family business  that was probably not unusual that was blown up to suit the circumstance? Only  a few people know the truth about that.
I got the impression PH suspected Jimmy Bell may have been involved with the disappearance of Diane Jones as well but am aware April knows far more about all these goings on and about Jimmy Bell than I do eventhough it all sounded very suspicious.  He seemed to be very handy waving his .22 around and did eventually shoot his young wife dead although fortunately the baby escaped.
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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #170 on: January 03, 2015, 03:17:PM »
He was a very violent and dangerous individual,Maggie.

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #171 on: January 03, 2015, 03:29:PM »
Talking about blazing rows I just read in his book the account from Peter Thomas Healey about the time that June and Neville were threatened by Jimmy Bell . I had not taken in the fact that not only did he throw the bullets at them but stood there with his 22 rifle with the silencer attached when the threat was going on.

He also tells of another time when Jimmy Bell threatened him with the same rifle.


He is very peeved that his statement was not really acknowledged and still holds the belief that the sighting of the unidentified  male was relevant and should have been revealed to the defence . The book is pretty weird to say the least but the last part does give interesting summary of how it was relevant that the prosecution with held evidence and EP withheld evidence that was not even revealed to the prosecution. It explains that at that time the defence could only request information from what the prosecution told them existed . And the prosecution should have revealed anything that could have potentially have helped jeremys defence. Which they did not.

There is also the name of the man who heard a shot or shots earlier in the evening .

I have only skim read it so far and as I say it is a book that is a bit "all over the place" but it is interesting.


Jan, much as everyone now seems to want Jimmy to be responsible, we MUST look at it more closely. It is said that Neville was responsible for Jimmy's imprisonment. The crime which put Jimmy there was too serious a crime for a magistrate's court so other than, perhaps referring it to Crown court, Neville had no involvement. It would have made more sense for Jimmy to threaten the trial judge.

 Also to be looked at is that as most of his family were under police protection because of his threats against them, it HIGHLY unlikely he could have gone anywhere without the police knowing where he was and as he drove a top of the range Mercedes he was hardly inconspicuous.

The reason for Jimmy's ire with Neville and June rests, I believe, with his young wife, Augusta, who I believe had poured out her heart, regarding their unhappy marriage, to June, who, good woman that she was, had gone, accompanied by Neville(?) to visit Augusta at home, presumably to do some marriage guidance work. Jimmy would have been INCANDESCENT at their temerity in "interfering" in his business. He would neither have forgotten nor forgiven. It has to be remembered though, that despite his terrifying threats to shoot all and sundry, Jimmy ACTUALLY, until the time he shot Augusta and then turned the gun on himself, did little more than stalk. Had the man I'd known for much of my life, INTENDED to kill, he wouldn't have threatened, he'd have done it, just as he did with Augusta. He wouldn't have skulked around at night, he'd have done it in broad daylight because he'd have believed he was justified in doing it.

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #172 on: January 03, 2015, 03:33:PM »
EP allowed JB a gun licence on release from prison,after being inside on a charge of ABH ?

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #173 on: January 03, 2015, 03:35:PM »
Another one who can't speak.Amazing,isn't it ?

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #174 on: January 03, 2015, 03:35:PM »
April, I wouldn´t call stalking "nothing more than" - it is very serious, especially if you wave a deadly weapon around!

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #175 on: January 03, 2015, 03:36:PM »
EP allowed JB a gun licence on release from prison,after being inside on a charge of ABH ?

I don't think that is true Lookout? Mind you Aunt A has a rifle that belonged to Jeremy.  I always thought that exhibits were not returned to their owners and certainly not the murder weapon...so which rifle it is, is not clear.

Up to the murders Jeremy never had a licence for any gun....it was in Nevill's name.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #176 on: January 03, 2015, 03:37:PM »
EP allowed JB a gun licence on release from prison,after being inside on a charge of ABH ?

Funny that he has the same initials as Jeremy - not that it means anything, just a funny little detail.

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #177 on: January 03, 2015, 03:38:PM »
Funny that he has the same initials as Jeremy - not that it means anything, just a funny little detail.

Hahaha I think I am on the wrong end of the stick here....JB being Mr Bell and not Bamber! Back to bed I go with the Dandy!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #178 on: January 03, 2015, 03:39:PM »
I don't think that is true Lookout? Mind you Aunt A has a rifle that belonged to Jeremy.  I always thought that exhibits were not returned to their owners and certainly not the murder weapon...so which rifle it is, is not clear.

Up to the murders Jeremy never had a licence for any gun....it was in Nevill's name.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lookout is talking about Jimmy Bell, JB - I presume.  ;D

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Re: Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?
« Reply #179 on: January 03, 2015, 03:40:PM »
I don't think that is true Lookout? Mind you Aunt A has a rifle that belonged to Jeremy.  I always thought that exhibits were not returned to their owners and certainly not the murder weapon...so which rifle it is, is not clear.

Up to the murders Jeremy never had a licence for any gun....it was in Nevill's name.  ;D ;D ;D ;D






Patti,it's a quote from Peter Healeys' book. You should see the brash comment from Harrison.At least Thomas's book is out. ;D ;D ;D ;D