Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[Adam]

How come you are so ready to believe Ann Eaton about a "blazing row", yet you refuse point blank to believe Bamber when he spoke of there being a heated argument from Sheila that very night concerning the adoption of her children? Wny is Ann Eton believed but Jeremy Bamber is not?

Well Jeremy said there was not a heated row.

There was apparently a suggestion of fostering. Sheila was non responsive.

The judge saying this alleged  conversation cannot be used as a reason for her outburst later.

[Mr. Gee]

Well Jeremy said there was not a heated row.

There was apparently a suggestion of fostering. Sheila was non responsive.

The judge saying this alleged  conversation cannot be used as a reason for her outburst later.

And yet the judge did not count Ann Eaton's testimony as "alleged"? Fascinating.

[Adam]

And yet the judge did not count Ann Eaton's testimony as "alleged"? Fascinating.

There is no record of the blazing row being discussed in court. It was not mentioned in the judges summing up.

[lookout]

I know only of the " blazing row " on the night of the 7th between Sheila and her parents,concerning the futures of herself and the boys-------------such was Sheilas' future riddled with illness,poor soul.

Jeremy would have been correct in saying that there hadn't been a heated row. There didn't need to have been,but there was a scuffle as opposed to a struggle. Scuffle when referring to a female.

[Adam]

I suspect Jeremy testified that Sheila was non responsive to support his claim that she went 'crazy' hours later. Anger building up inside her. Although the judge refuted this would happen.

If she went 'crazy' over supper, Neville, June & Jeremy could restrain and calm her down. Steps could then be taken to ensure Sheila is not a danger to herself or anyone else that night.

[maggie]

I suspect Jeremy testified that Sheila was non responsive to support his claim that she went 'crazy' hours later. Anger building up inside her. Although the judge refuted this would happen.

If she went 'crazy' over supper, Neville, June & Jeremy could restrain and calm her down. Steps could then be taken to ensure Sheila is not a danger to herself or anyone else that night.

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing and there is a strong possibility that Sheila was already psychotic, a common sign of a forthcoming violent psychotic episode is lack of response to events around the person and withdrawal from their surroundings, so in fact if in that state, it's very possible Sheila wasn't even hearing the conversation but was lost in her own head.  I don't believe anger per se had anything to do with Sheila's episode if it happened, her behaviour and appearance around that time has been reported as 'unusual' and she may have been struggling with an underlying psychosis for a long time before it finally came to a head.

[Mr. Gee]

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing and there is a strong possibility that Sheila was already psychotic, a common sign of a forthcoming violent psychotic episode is lack of response to events around the person and withdrawal from their surroundings, so in fact if in that state, it's very possible Sheila wasn't even hearing the conversation but was lost in her own head.  I don't believe anger per se had anything to do with Sheila's episode if it happened, her behaviour and appearance around that time has been reported as 'unusual' and she may have been struggling with an underlying psychosis for a long time before it finally came to a head.

Maggie I suspect that what we have here is yet another terrible case of the judge pre-empting the jury in favour of a guilty verdict that ends in a disgusting miscarriage of justice, where an innocent man is compelled to serve a life sentence just because of the fact that Sheila's illness was not thought to pose any danger either to herself or anyone else. Another case where cranky experts are taken at their word so as not to draw condemnation down upon themselves. And this of course attracts herds of silly bleating sheep agreeing with them in their pathetic ignorance.

[lookout]

Maggie I suspect that what we have here is yet another terrible case of the judge pre-empting the jury in favour of a guilty verdict that ends in a disgusting miscarriage of justice, where an innocent man is compelled to serve a life sentence just because of the fact that Sheila's illness was not thought to pose any danger either to herself or anyone else. Another case where cranky experts are taken at their word so as not to draw condemnation down upon themselves. And this of course attracts herds of silly bleating sheep agreeing with them in their pathetic ignorance.

Good post Mr G. Well said.

[Adam]

For Susan.

What do you think the blazing row could have been about ?

[Caroline]

How do you know that this was the LAST row?

[Adam]

How do you know that this was the LAST row?

I don't, which is why I put a question mark.

[susan]

Adam maybe it was about bringing home the last trailer Jeremy may have wished Ralph to bring it home but Ralph would not be too pleased with that.

[lookout]

Who would have been the last person to finish at the farm ? As I understand,Neville was going out checking something/someone after Jeremy had left ?

[susan]

Adam what a silky billy I am the row that AE is referring to cannot be the one I am thinking about as she was not at the farm that fateful night. Maybe Ralph thought Jeremy was not working hard enough.

[Jane]

How do you know that this was the LAST row?

And what, exactly, and by whose definition, does "blazing" mean? It COULD mean that the story teller wishes to give the impression of something more than it was. One person's "Blaze" can equally well be an other's FLICKER.