The fake random stranger option.

[Jan]

 

perhaps I am missing out by having him on ignore.

[Mr. Gee]

And why would they DELIBERATELY frame an innocent man -from day one- when  they had a ready made and indisputable perpetrator?

They didn't. It was one man who believed the relatives who claimed they found a silencer with blood on it. Taff Jones wouldn't entertain them and even threatened to have them thrown out of the station. I think he was right. You aren't talking about a whole police force here.

[lookout]

They were even ushered out of the courtroom for mouthing off. Probably disagreeing with what little the defence had to say. Or,whatever the reason,it hit a nerve.

[Mr. Gee]

They were even ushered out of the courtroom for mouthing off. Probably disagreeing with what little the defence had to say. Or,whatever the reason,it hit a nerve.

Yes they really hated Jeremy didn't they? And these were the people who provided the most "incriminating" of evidence. It was thoroughly contaminated and unsubstantiated yet the judge amazingly allowed it to be counted as evidence.

[lookout]

Yes they really hated Jeremy didn't they? And these were the people who provided the most "incriminating" of evidence. It was thoroughly contaminated and unsubstantiated yet the judge amazingly allowed it to be counted as evidence.

All in it together. That's how it's viewed when everything is in their favour.You can't help being suspicious as there was a heck of a lot of corroborating with those who weren't even involved with the case.

[Mr. Gee]

Mr Gee sorry but one of the reasons I changed from innocent to guilty is the phone call from Ralph Bamber to Jeremy I have seen no proof that this phone call was made we only have Jeremy's word for it Had the call taken place Jeremy would not have phoned Julie then the police after he had found their number in the phone book I know my logic would have been to get the police out to WHF as quickly as possible.  This alone in Jeremy's way of thinking was meant to convince EP of his innocence.  I have always posted on this forum these alleged phone calls  did Jeremy Bamber more harm than good.  None of us on this forum know what exactly happened we all perceive the events differently I don't see too much evidence to prove his innocence or guilt we are just discussing the matter.  I would never be so arrogant to say what you perceive is wrong of course you could be right and I wrong.

So Susan, if your only daughter or your only sister had gone hysterical and somehow got hold of a gun what would the firth thing you would think of doing, phone the police whom you knoew would turn out with marksmen who would shoot without any permission from you, or would you phone someone say your husband or a trusted friend to get advice first?

[susan]

Hello Mr. Gee Jeremy phoned Julie and she told him to go back to bed then he eventually phoned the police.  If what you are saying is correct why did he not jump in his car and rush over there to sort it out himself instead of wasting time phoning Julie then looking phone numbers up and phoning the police he was not worried then about a marksmen was he.  In a similar situation knowing my Dad and my sister I would have gone over at speed myself then weighed the situation up and may be phoned the police from WHF if I thought this was necessary I certainly would not have phoned a girl friend living miles away what good could she do.  No I would have been in my car and off over to the farm.

[Alias]

Hello Mr. Gee Jeremy phoned Julie and she told him to go back to bed then he eventually phoned the police.  If what you are saying is correct why did he not jump in his car and rush over there to sort it out himself instead of wasting time phoning Julie then looking phone numbers up and phoning the police he was not worried then about a marksmen was he.  In a similar situation knowing my Dad and my sister I would have gone over at speed myself then weighed the situation up and may be phoned the police from WHF if I thought this was necessary I certainly would not have phoned a girl friend living miles away what good could she do.  No I would have been in my car and off over to the farm.

I think that Jeremy was confused as to what to do and also afraid to do the wrong thing - that is why he called Julie, I think.
It seems that Nevill and June made most decisions on behalf of their grown up children, never giving them a chance to learn to take action/responsibility themselves.

[maggie]

I think that Jeremy was confused as to what to do and also afraid to do the wrong thing - that is why he called Julie, I think.
It seems that Nevill and June made most decisions on behalf of their grown up children, never giving them a chance to learn to take action/responsibility themselves.

That is what I have always argued as well Alias, he had always been told what was acceptable and we know Nevill hated the police and authority figured so it could have been very confusing for him.  People who have never been in such a position are so sure they would know how they would behave but reality is very different.

[lookout]

It's what's known as dithering,Susan. I firmly believe that Jeremy was looking for advice and reassurance not obviously having been faced with such a decision as this,or any decision really as I would have said that his father dished out all the advice about everything and his father was well and truly tied up this time. No decision-maker to hand and nobody else to turn to really. It was done in all innocence,as it must have come as a shock and Jeremy having had a pretty sheltered past was by no means prepared for a gun-toting sister.

[susan]

lookout I cannot disagree with you because how would I know what went on in his head and why he acted in the way he did it is possible that he did not know how to deal with this situation I grant you that.

[Adam]

Oh really. I gave you good logical and adult arguments and all you did was repeat the same old garbage instead of answering my posts like an adult would. You are simply a pathetic fool with his head up his own arse. Just piss off and give us all a rest you arrogant fool. There, report that.

I have reported this to the moderators.

I have also sent a PM to one of the moderators about you're abusive posts.

You may prefer this to be a forum of just supporters who agree with each other. But this is an open forum. If someone disagrees with you, just being abusive is appalling and just shows you are wrong. 

[Jan]

That is what I have always argued as well Alias, he had always been told what was acceptable and we know Nevill hated the police and authority figured so it could have been very confusing for him.  People who have never been in such a position are so sure they would know how they would behave but reality is very different.

its very easy in hindsight to say what he should have done . But if the massacre had not occurred then him going over with the police and expert negotiators could have been the right thing to do - even if Neville could have been annoyed he got the police involved.

[lookout]

I have reported this to the moderators.

I have also sent a PM to one of the moderators about you're abusive posts.

You may prefer this to be a forum of just supporters who agree with each other. But this is an open forum. If someone disagrees with you, just being abusive is appalling and just shows you are wrong.

FFS,go and bury your head !!

[Patti]

Come on peeps.

If you are getting fed up of someones posts then please refrain from posting to him. There is no need for it to get nasty.

There is an ignore button or you can send a complaint to the moderators.

7 days to Christmas day and all this arguing...come on please.