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Offline Caroline

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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #375 on: February 21, 2015, 03:34:PM »
What were conspicuous by their absence--------were Sheila's diaries.

Who said she had any?
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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #376 on: February 21, 2015, 03:43:PM »
Who said she had any?





The destruction thread,as they were listed when police removed them as exhibits. Not sure if they were indeed destroyed or handed to the existing family.
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« Reply #377 on: February 21, 2015, 03:48:PM »




The destruction thread,as they were listed when police removed them as exhibits. Not sure if they were indeed destroyed or handed to the existing family.

Interesting! Shame if they were destroyed - Colin should have been asked if he wanted them.
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« Reply #378 on: February 21, 2015, 04:00:PM »
Interesting! Shame if they were destroyed - Colin should have been asked if he wanted them.





Not with AE at the front of the queue with her hand out,Colin wouldn't have stood an earthly. It would have been more in the interests of the rellies to have had them because of their content. ;D ;D If you get my drift.

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« Reply #379 on: February 21, 2015, 04:17:PM »




Not with AE at the front of the queue with her hand out,Colin wouldn't have stood an earthly. It would have been more in the interests of the rellies to have had them because of their content. ;D ;D If you get my drift.

So she wrote in her diary that she was going to kill everyone?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #380 on: February 21, 2015, 04:27:PM »
well we may never know. But they could have been an indication of her state of mind at the time .


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« Reply #381 on: February 21, 2015, 04:30:PM »
He hadn't seen Sheila since the last Christmas, so I doubt that he could judge correctly on that one?

She magically became coordinated the last few months of her life?
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« Reply #382 on: February 21, 2015, 04:35:PM »
Interesting! Shame if they were destroyed - Colin should have been asked if he wanted them.

Colin wasn't her husband anymore he had no right to them. If it is true that the estate wanted to try to sell them to make a profit that would be pretty scummy and I think them being destroyed helped preserve some dignity. A personal diary should go to someone very close to the victim who can truly appreciate it but her kids and parents were dead so there isn't anyone that really qualifies. 
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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #383 on: February 21, 2015, 04:38:PM »
Colin wasn't her husband anymore he had no right to them. If it is true that the estate wanted to try to sell them to make a profit that would be pretty scummy and I think them being destroyed helped preserve some dignity. A personal diary should go to someone very close to the victim who can truly appreciate it but her kids and parents were dead so there isn't anyone that really qualifies.

I didn't say he had a 'right' to them legally - but they would surely have contained things about THEIR children and perhaps their lives together. Whether he had a legal right or not - he had a 'moral' right.
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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #384 on: February 21, 2015, 04:43:PM »
She magically became coordinated the last few months of her life?



I think the story of her lack of coordination is somewhere between an over exaggeration and a myth. AE seems to have been saying it since prior to Sheila's illness and with a little help from us it has taken wings.

Had Sheila been SO very uncoordinated, she certainly couldn't have done her own make up, ie applied eye liner, mascara, false eyelashes OR painted her nails with any degree of dexterity. I can say, with TOTAL certainty that she never achieved the status of those models who had their own make up artist and hairdresser. I'm fully aware of the mantra that "She couldn't put beans on toast" but am inclined to think selective some of her lack of aptitude towards things domestic.

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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #385 on: February 21, 2015, 04:45:PM »
Colin wasn't her husband anymore he had no right to them. If it is true that the estate wanted to try to sell them to make a profit that would be pretty scummy and I think them being destroyed helped preserve some dignity. A personal diary should go to someone very close to the victim who can truly appreciate it but her kids and parents were dead so there isn't anyone that really qualifies.



 It certainly WASN'T the Boutflour/Eatons.

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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #386 on: February 21, 2015, 05:04:PM »
She magically became coordinated the last few months of her life?





No,just the last week when she omitted to take her medications and preferred cannabis instead. Intramuscular injection was also waning,so hey-ho,she was in control in a sinister sort of way.

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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #387 on: February 21, 2015, 05:04:PM »


 It certainly WASN'T the Boutflour/Eatons.

If the 2 family's fought over possession of it that to me would be a sign they wanted to try to sell it or profit in some way.  I would not care about a diary belonging to any of my cousins unless they were famous and it thus had some potential historical value. And I don't mean famous for how they died I mean such as a politician or scientist and it could demonstrate how decision were made...

The people who would truly appreciate her diary were dead.  Her parents or children so they had something to remember her by.  A diary might have things someone doesn't want an exspouse/exboyfriend/ex anything to see so I don't necessarily like the idea of it going to an ex.

All too often a diary will be sold for profit, I think its destruction was a good thing. It would eventually have been sold by an heir of the person who got it if not by the person who took possession.  Someone would have wanted to buy it just because it would be a souvenir related to the killings or case and possibly hoping to find some dirt to publish from it.  That doesn't dignify her memory so I say good job in destroying it. 

   
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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #388 on: February 21, 2015, 05:05:PM »


I think the story of her lack of coordination is somewhere between an over exaggeration and a myth. AE seems to have been saying it since prior to Sheila's illness and with a little help from us it has taken wings.

Had Sheila been SO very uncoordinated, she certainly couldn't have done her own make up, ie applied eye liner, mascara, false eyelashes OR painted her nails with any degree of dexterity. I can say, with TOTAL certainty that she never achieved the status of those models who had their own make up artist and hairdresser. I'm fully aware of the mantra that "She couldn't put beans on toast" but am inclined to think selective some of her lack of aptitude towards things domestic.

I totally agree April the 'uncoordinated' stories seem very contrived and AE hadn't see Sheila for some time. People who saw her only days previously (the garden party she attended with Colin and the twins), no one mentioned her coordination but were able to describe other aspects of her behaviour in detail.
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Re: Sheila not fighting back. Why ?
« Reply #389 on: February 21, 2015, 05:07:PM »
No,just the last week when she omitted to take her medications and preferred cannabis instead. Intramuscular injection was also waning,so hey-ho,she was in control in a sinister sort of way.

She was on injections so that she didn't have to worry about taking medication.  She wasn't taking any medication orally so had no ability to omit taking it.  The injections lasted 6 weeks and her last injection was 3 weeks prior to her death.
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