Sheila not fighting back. Why ?

[scipio_usmc]

I don't see on the handwritten page you attached mention the finding of animal blood do you have a copy that is more legible?

Go to Spec-Savers.

I don't know what that is but I already found a copy elsewhere so thanks anyway.

[scipio_usmc]

Jan: "I think you owe me an apology."

Wouldn´t hold my breath!

The only apology I could potentially owe would be to Mike for saying he probably made this up like most of what he posts.  He didn't make up animal blood was found though he distorted the significance majorly.  In any event, it is his own fault for posting so many distortions that I am not willing to believe anything he claims unless I see proof.

 

[Alias]

The only apology I could potentially owe would be to Mike for saying he probably made this up like most of what he posts.  He didn't make up animal blood was found though he distorted the significance majorly.  In any event, it is his own fault for posting so many distortions that I am not willing to believe anything he claims unless I see proof.

 

I agree. Mike made this problem for himself, which is a big shame, because he does have a huge knowledge of the case.

[David1819]

I don´t think she got up on Nevill´s side of the bed. If you look at the bed, the covers don´t tell that story.
Perhaps the shooter thougth she was dead from the head wound or had no time to check it. She may have been alone in the bedroom when she got out of bed while the killer was dealing with Nevill.
Why she went to Nevill¨s side of the bed is a bit of a mystery. Perhaps to go check on the twins, then was distracted?
Or maybe the lab made a mistake and it wasn´t her blood.

How do we know who slept on what side of the Bed? Has that been 100% determined otherwise there is not much point speculating until we know 100%. I have never looked into the bed really

[Jan]

Nevermind, I found a more legible source. It says at the end there was human blood and 2 other animals.  It doesn't assess what those animals were though so no basis to say it was rabbit as opposed to two different animals. So either the weapon was used to shoot 2 different kinds of animals or someone transferred the blood there.  Since it is the very end logic would suggest it is back spatter

Is this the only document that mentions the animals or did she note somewhere what kind of animals they were?

This still doesn't warrant an apology for me saying it is stupid to think that the lab and Lincoln mistook animal blood for human blood inside the moderator.  This notes no finding of animal blood in the moderator and finding it outside doesn't mean it would get inside which requires a contact shot which there is no indication ever happened. Even if some had been found inside that only helps show they can tell the difference between animal blood and human blood it doesn't support the suggestion the lab and Lincoln misidentified animal blood as human.

 

You insinuated I post BS. I had seen this document before. I was not making it up.

You said JB would not shoot rabbits because he had not been out shooting before that night. He did not like shooting animals. Well it would appear if this was his silencer , that is not true. Also the family were wrong saying NB always used to clean all the weapons before putting them away.

[Jan]

Nevermind, I found a more legible source. It says at the end there was human blood and 2 other animals.  It doesn't assess what those animals were though so no basis to say it was rabbit as opposed to two different animals. So either the weapon was used to shoot 2 different kinds of animals or someone transferred the blood there.  Since it is the very end logic would suggest it is back spatter

Is this the only document that mentions the animals or did she note somewhere what kind of animals they were?

This still doesn't warrant an apology for me saying it is stupid to think that the lab and Lincoln mistook animal blood for human blood inside the moderator.  This notes no finding of animal blood in the moderator and finding it outside doesn't mean it would get inside which requires a contact shot which there is no indication ever happened. Even if some had been found inside that only helps show they can tell the difference between animal blood and human blood it doesn't support the suggestion the lab and Lincoln misidentified animal blood as human.

 

btw - I never said it was rabbit blood. AP said JB went shooting with his father. There are many animals /birds it could have been on an English farm. if you don't kill them first time you would finish them off with a close shot - or there could have been "game" in a vehicle leaking blood on to the silencer . pigeons/foxes/pheasants/rabbits/rats/hares are just a few examples.

[scipio_usmc]

How do we know who slept on what side of the Bed? Has that been 100% determined otherwise there is not much point speculating until we know 100%. I have never looked into the bed really

Aside from extraneous evidence establishing which side of the bed each parent usually slept on, the blood evidence in that photo has to be from June. Nevill didn't suffer a head wound in the bedroom to cause the blood on the pillow. The other blood stains are also more consistent with the locations of June's wounds than Nevill's.  June getting out of bed and running around then getting back in bed to be shot in the head makes no sense at all, she had to have been shot in the head before she got up.   

[Mr. Gee]

Aside from extraneous evidence establishing which side of the bed each parent usually slept on, the blood evidence in that photo has to be from June. Nevill didn't suffer a head wound in the bedroom to cause the blood on the pillow. The other blood stains are also more consistent with the locations of June's wounds than Nevill's.  June getting out of bed and running around then getting back in bed to be shot in the head makes no sense at all, she had to have been shot in the head before she got up.   

The blood on the other bed clothes are an indication that she nevertheless was able to get up and manage a few paces before falling backwards near the door.

[lookout]

 Mr G,the droplets of blood that were leading to Sheila,were those belonging to June and not Sheila herself,so yes,June had wandered.

[lookout]

That shot in June's leg would have been administered from a seated/sitting position,and if you gauge where Sheila was to where June as first possibly just about standing with her back to the door,before slumping and sliding down the door onto the floor.( blood-staining on the door indicates this )

[lookout]

That shot in June's leg would have been administered from a seated/sitting position,and if you gauge where Sheila was to where June as first possibly just about standing with her back to the door,before slumping and sliding down the door onto the floor.( blood-staining on the door indicates this )

This would fit the scenario where it's been said that the rifle lay on the floor a good 18ins away from Sheila's body.

[scipio_usmc]

The blood on the other bed clothes are an indication that she nevertheless was able to get up and manage a few paces before falling backwards near the door.

I stated straight out she got up but was shot in the head before she did so.  The issue is did she:

1) get up on her side of the bed and collapse by the door
2) get up on Nevill's side of the bed and then walk around the bed to the door or
3) get up on her side of the bed, run to Nevill's side and then run back to her side

The last scenario is what some suggest happened but it is hard to believe because it means she survived the head wound longer than one would think she would and worse how would she be able to freely run around the bed when the killer was near the foot of the bed?  Even if the killer were at one side of the room initially and thus chased her to the other side of the room, she would need to pass through the killer to return to the side she had come from.  It would make more sense to run into the box room than to try running through the killer to get to the door that leads to the hall.     

[Alias]

I stated straight out she got up but was shot in the head before she did so.  The issue is did she:

1) get up on her side of the bed and collapse by the door
2) get up on Nevill's side of the bed and then walk around the bed to the door or
3) get up on her side of the bed, run to Nevill's side and then run back to her side

The last scenario is what some suggest happened but it is hard to believe because it means she survived the head wound longer than one would think she would and worse how would she be able to freely run around the bed when the killer was near the foot of the bed?  Even if the killer were at one side of the room initially and thus chased her to the other side of the room, she would need to pass through the killer to return to the side she had come from.  It would make more sense to run into the box room than to try running through the killer to get to the door that leads to the hall.   

She couldn´t have run. The drops of blood indicate a slow moving person or a person standing.

[Mr. Gee]

The only apology I could potentially owe would be to Mike for saying he probably made this up like most of what he posts.  He didn't make up animal blood was found though he distorted the significance majorly.  In any event, it is his own fault for posting so many distortions that I am not willing to believe anything he claims unless I see proof.

 

That's strange since you spent most of your time stating that he was lying and imagining the animal blood. But now you are ready to accept it? Doesn't that speak rather about the fact that you were wrong and therefore unreliable?

[scipio_usmc]

That's strange since you spent most of your time stating that he was lying and imagining the animal blood. But now you are ready to accept it? Doesn't that speak rather about the fact that you were wrong and therefore unreliable?

I spend most of my time refuting Mike's lies which is why I don't trust anything he said and why I require proof for any claim sourced to him.

There was evidence presented to demonstrate blood of 2 different animals (which could mean two different species or 2 of the same species there was no specificity) was found ON the moderator.  While it is possible the document was forged I accept it was likely not forged because if someone would go through that trouble they would likely make up something more useful. Thus I accepted the evidence.  That evidence cited blood on the moderator not in the moderator so still doesn't support the arguments about animal blood being inside to be mistaken for human blood let alone provides any evidence a doctor could mistake it for animal blood.