Sheila's medical condition = A brutal multiple murderer ?

[Adam]

Pre trial, the defence consulted several leading experts. This was to see if they believed Sheila's medical condition made her capable going into such a mad rage and committing the massacre. They all said it did not.

Since the trial supporters have claimed that these experts were not given the full facts on her medical condition.  Not sure why the medical departments were not going to hand over all requested information. There was about to be a multiple murder trial. Also not sure how supporters know what the experts saw or did not see.

The defence also had the best witness - Jeremy, who seemed to know all about Sheila's illness when speaking to police pre arrest. He went a bit silent after his arrest but put a lot of information on the WS . He even knew what no one else knew, that 'Sheila was going to be sent to the nut house' & had committed child abuse on the twins. 

Neville and June would know more than anyone about Sheila's condition. She was costing them enough in medical bills. So very surprising that they invited her over for an extended stay if she was a danger. And that Colin allowed this. And even more surprising that Neville & June would provoke her with suggestions of fostering.

The Foakes's saw Sheila on the massacre day & she seemed in good spirits. She even took the twins to see Jeremy on his tractor.

Apparently Sheila was non responsive when the alleged fostering conversation took place. The judge saying this alleged conversation cannot be used as a reason for the 3am outburst.

Despite all this Sheila suddenly massacred five members of her family, repeat 'massacred five members of her family'. Shooting them in the head & torso over 20 times. And brutally beating the person she was closest to.

Do people believe that a woman going from happy, non responsive earlier in the day to massacring five members of her immediate family is unrealistic ?

[lookout]

Sheila WASN'T happy at all. Her persona was the " calm before the storm ".It's how the illness manifests itself---------elation then a complete downer. Sheila was her " happiest " being separated from her mother,because she felt free from the chains of suppression.
Until Sheila was in the company of June,she was perfectly normal.

[Jan]

Adam did you ever watch that link that explains her illness  - Which was real and factual.

If not go away and get a bit more understanding.

Also her full past medical history was not revealed to the defence or jury . And Freddie E only had his statement read out he did not appear and also Colin said violence was always under the surface of their relationship.

Some questions to you - do you believe that the thoughts  that's she held about her sons and the fact she thought the CIA were after her were normal?

Also you are perfectly willing to accept that Jeremy without any confirmed mental illness could carry out the killings ? And yet you will not accept that Sheila who did have a confirmed medical condition could not have committed the crime ? Where is your logic in that?

It has been proven that Jeremy was not telling lies about the fostering adoption scenario so why do you keep bringing that up?

If Neville had agreed with June about this plan how do you think Sheila would have reacted?

Another poster has shown you that it was reported her medication changes before that date could have caused significant changes in her behaviour - why do you chose to ignore that?

[Jan]

Adam you moan when we don't answer your threads ?

here is a chance for proper discussion.

[JackiePreece]

Adam did you ever watch that link that explains her illness  - Which was real and factual.

If not go away and get a bit more understanding.

Also her full past medical history was not revealed to the defence or jury . And Freddie E only had his statement read out he did not appear and also Colin said violence was always under the surface of their relationship.

Some questions to you - do you believe that the thoughts  that's she held about her sons and the fact she thought the CIA were after her were normal?

Also you are perfectly willing to accept that Jeremy without any confirmed mental illness could carry out the killings ? And yet you will not accept that Sheila who did have a confirmed medical condition could not have committed the crime ? Where is your logic in that?

It has been proven that Jeremy was not telling lies about the fostering adoption scenario so why do you keep bringing that up?

If Neville had agreed with June about this plan how do you think Sheila would have reacted?

Another poster has shown you that it was reported her medication changes before that date could have caused significant changes in her behaviour - why do you chose to ignore that?

Brilliant post Jan, if only the jury knew the truth
We all know what the outcome would have been

[Adam]

Adam did you ever watch that link that explains her illness  - Which was real and factual.

If not go away and get a bit more understanding.

Also her full past medical history was not revealed to the defence or jury . And Freddie E only had his statement read out he did not appear and also Colin said violence was always under the surface of their relationship.

Some questions to you - do you believe that the thoughts  that's she held about her sons and the fact she thought the CIA were after her were normal?

Also you are perfectly willing to accept that Jeremy without any confirmed mental illness could carry out the killings ? And yet you will not accept that Sheila who did have a confirmed medical condition could not have committed the crime ? Where is your logic in that?

It has been proven that Jeremy was not telling lies about the fostering adoption scenario so why do you keep bringing that up?

If Neville had agreed with June about this plan how do you think Sheila would have reacted?

Another poster has shown you that it was reported her medication changes before that date could have caused significant changes in her behaviour - why do you chose to ignore that?

Jeremy was an 'Inheritance killer'. There have been a lot over the years. Most not showing prior signs of mental illness or criminal behaviour. Thread already created.

There is nothing on the OS saying the defence did not have all information on Sheila's illness. Thought by law they would have to provide this pre trial.

Jeremy also seemed to know a lot about Sheila's illness. He also had access to WHF so could get any paperwork on this which Neville had stored.

[Jan]

you did not actually answer my questions.

[lookout]

He doesn't fully answer anyones questions unless they involve Jeremy slaying the family. A person as biased as he is finds it very difficult to listen/read anything that's opposite to his own thinking. He's simply got no answers to a reasoned discussion.

[Jan]

Adam you did not discuss my questions in reply 2?

So you are saying as one reply only that Jeremy is not suffering from any kind of mental illness at all - without any previous signs of violence whatsoever he shot his family in cold blood for the money and there was absolutely no sign of any other reason behind it at all ?

And you only logic for this is that YOU don't feel that Sheila was capable  or ill enough to carry out the shooting?

[Adam]

Adam you did not discuss my questions in reply 2?

So you are saying as one reply only that Jeremy is not suffering from any kind of mental illness at all - without any previous signs of violence whatsoever he shot his family in cold blood for the money and there was absolutely no sign of any other reason behind it at all ?

And you only logic for this is that YOU don't feel that Sheila was capable  or ill enough to carry out the shooting?

Yes that is what I am saying. It is called being an 'Inheritance killer'. Thread already created. Although Jeremy was different to a lot of others, as he had recently committed a crime against his family.

There were lots of other reasons why he committed the massacre. See my 'Apart from £436,000... ' thread.

All first time criminals had no history of criminal behaviour. Lots of criminals have no medical condition. They are just greedy.

[Jane]

Yes that is what I am saying. It is called being an 'Inheritance killer'. Thread already created. Although Jeremy was different to a lot of others, as he had recently committed a crime against his family.

There were lots of other reasons why he committed the massacre. See my 'Apart from £436,000... ' thread.

All first time criminals had no history of criminal behaviour. Lots of criminals have no medical condition. They are just greedy.

And that view is what prevents any further discussion with YOU. What your underlying words are saying is that whatever WE have to say YOU aren't interested in hearing.

[Jan]

So what are your opinions on the thoughts that Sheila had about her sons during her illness - sexual and violent thoughts - what she thought they were capable of ?

Do you not think they could have explained why if she was in a psychotic episode she could have killed them?

Did you watch any videos that explain how her mind could have been working at the time?

[Jan]

Adam I thought you set up the thread to discuss Sheilas medical condition and whether or not it is relevant to the case?

[Jane]

Adam I thought you set up the thread to discuss Sheilas medical condition and whether or not it is relevant to the case?

He CAN'T discuss it Jan because he has neither the knowledge nor the interest in anything which diverts him from the frivolous. Instead he sets up YET another irrelevant thread in which the only difference from two others is the destination.

[Jan]

He CAN'T discuss it Jan because he has neither the knowledge nor the interest in anything which diverts him from the frivolous. Instead he sets up YET another irrelevant thread in which the only difference from two others is the destination.

Yes he has just proved he is incapable of discussion in any form - I will not be answering his posts - not doubt he will have some analogy of why we have him on ignore , but perhaps he should consider that he is one of the only posters I know who manages to wind up the posters who are actually on his "side of the fence"  . That is quite an achievement . But not one to be proud of .