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Offline Adam

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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2014, 12:31:PM »
To be fair,if a shotgun had been used at such close range,the victims would have been a terrible mess. Sorry to be so graphic.

They were quite messy from the rifle.
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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2014, 12:46:PM »
Not as messy as from a shotgun. Or don't you know the difference ? It's self explanatory.!

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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2014, 12:53:PM »
Not as messy as from a shotgun. Or don't you know the difference ? It's self explanatory.!

I have reported this to the moderator. Suggesting I don't the difference between a rifle and shot gun is a deliberate put  down.

Of course anyone knows.
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2014, 12:56:PM »
 Just F-OFF----------now report that !! Drip !

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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2014, 01:12:PM »
Just F-OFF----------now report that !! Drip !



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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2014, 01:31:PM »
I have reported this to the moderator. Suggesting I don't the difference between a rifle and shot gun is a deliberate put  down.

Of course anyone knows.
I'm reporting this post because Adam is wasting the moderators time and is being deliberately obstreperous.

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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2014, 12:39:AM »
Ann Eaton testified that Jeremy asked her and her husband about buying a five bullet shot gun from them. This was just before the massacre.

The advantages of this is one bullet results in certain death. Whether in the head or torso. So no re loads needed if each bullet hits it target. 

It is much more realistic that Neville would be worried about Sheila with a shot gun.

Jeremy would have to justify why his shot gun was at WHF. That would not be hard. As he worked there & it was his family home. 

The gun would carry less bullets, so a potential re load if any bullets missed.  But he would have time to re load if Neville was out of the way. However if no re loads were needed, that would make it more likely Sheila was the killer. People have always found it hard believing Sheila could re load.

A shot gun is loud. And I am not sure a silencer can fit on one. But if Jeremy is quick and clinical, then people would be dead before fully waking up.

Using the shot gun means there are no rabbit stories. But that has never been believable.

I suspect Jeremy got too short notice about Sheila's visit. So had no time to purchase the gun. Using the rifle instead. Or he may have simply preferred the rifle, preferring the extra bullets, overestimating it's power & having thought up the rabbit story. 

Would other people use a shot gun or rifle ?

How is it that you can be here so long and not know that the semi-auto shotgun was dropped in favor of the Anschutz?  It had nothing to do with no thaving time to buy it.  Neville refused to buy a semi-auto shotgun so he settled for the semi-automatic rifle.

His excuse for wanting the shotgun wa sbecause he wanted to get into game hunting.  Quite obviously he had ulterior motives because what person who actually wants to get into game shooting decides to drop it because his father will only allow him to use a double barrel shotgun and not a semi-auto?

He wanted a semi-auto to commit the murders with and his first choice was a shotgun but since his father would not buy that he had to settle for a semi-auto .22 rifle because that is what his father was willing to buy him.  There was no further consideration of a semi-auto shotgun after getting the Anschutz.

It might actually have been a good thing getting the rifle instead because it has less recoil so was more credible for Sheila to have used it but the bullets being less potent did cause some problems that would have otherwise been avoided in retrospect. For instance he could have killed Nevill then restored the phone to the bedroom to pretend he made a call from there before being shot.  Instead he pretended the call was made in the kitchen then Nevill was shot there but evidence he was shot in the beroom first ruined the staging effort.





Since he only used it a few times for target shooting so he could try to become a decent shot with it in anticipation of the murders, it was in brand new shape still when AP tested it out.   

 
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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2014, 09:11:AM »
How is it that you can be here so long and not know that the semi-auto shotgun was dropped in favor of the Anschutz?  It had nothing to do with no thaving time to buy it.  Neville refused to buy a semi-auto shotgun so he settled for the semi-automatic rifle.

His excuse for wanting the shotgun wa sbecause he wanted to get into game hunting.  Quite obviously he had ulterior motives because what person who actually wants to get into game shooting decides to drop it because his father will only allow him to use a double barrel shotgun and not a semi-auto?

He wanted a semi-auto to commit the murders with and his first choice was a shotgun but since his father would not buy that he had to settle for a semi-auto .22 rifle because that is what his father was willing to buy him.  There was no further consideration of a semi-auto shotgun after getting the Anschutz.

It might actually have been a good thing getting the rifle instead because it has less recoil so was more credible for Sheila to have used it but the bullets being less potent did cause some problems that would have otherwise been avoided in retrospect. For instance he could have killed Nevill then restored the phone to the bedroom to pretend he made a call from there before being shot.  Instead he pretended the call was made in the kitchen then Nevill was shot there but evidence he was shot in the beroom first ruined the staging effort.





Since he only used it a few times for target shooting so he could try to become a decent shot with it in anticipation of the murders, it was in brand new shape still when AP tested it out.
Obviously this is only your assumption yet again. You don't need a semi automatic shotgun for small game hunting. In fact the people who I know always have chosen a small calibre rifle. His father probably discussed this with Jeremy and so probably Jeremy took his advice and so his father bought a .22 semi auto rifle instead? There is always an alternative reason based on the words used. That is the reason I doubted that that night was the only time Bamber went out to shoot rabbits. In the farming world what Jeremy did that night was not unusual at all.

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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2014, 09:20:AM »
Obviously this is only your assumption yet again. You don't need a semi automatic shotgun for small game hunting. In fact the people who I know always have chosen a small calibre rifle. His father probably discussed this with Jeremy and so probably Jeremy took his advice and so his father bought a .22 semi auto rifle instead? There is always an alternative reason based on the words used. That is the reason I doubted that that night was the only time Bamber went out to shoot rabbits. In the farming world what Jeremy did that night was not unusual at all.
You are right. Grahame, it's. very common to see rabbits at dusk, they tend to pop out for a last snack before bed.

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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2014, 09:33:AM »
You are right. Grahame, it's. very common to see rabbits at dusk, they tend to pop out for a last snack before bed.
They always come out at dusk or at night maggie. The same time the foxes come out who hunt them. In a way the fox is the arable farmers friend (not if you keep chickens of course) And I can tell you with confidence that a lot of farmers are against fox hunting, because the hunt have not respect for the farmer's land. I have even had them push past me on the horses on their way to a nature reserve. They have no respect for anyone's land some of them.

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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2014, 10:13:AM »
Hello Maggie  in this part of the world rabbits stay out all day they know we don't shoot them ;D ;D ;D ;D What puzzles me about the rabbits is Jeremy popped his head around the door and said he had to dash as he was in a hurry read this on here. If that was true why bother with rabbits and I thought he hated killing animals :'( we will never know the truth.

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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2014, 10:32:AM »
Hello Maggie  in this part of the world rabbits stay out all day they know we don't shoot them ;D ;D ;D ;D What puzzles me about the rabbits is Jeremy popped his head around the door and said he had to dash as he was in a hurry read this on here. If that was true why bother with rabbits and I thought he hated killing animals :'( we will never know the truth.
I thought both Jeremy and Pargeter said they had been out shooting together Susan?

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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2014, 11:30:AM »
Hello Mr. Gee could have done I just remember reading a post on here where it was stated Jeremy did not like  killing animals or words to that effect I honestly don't know what he liked or did not like :'(
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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2014, 12:51:PM »
Hello Maggie  in this part of the world rabbits stay out all day they know we don't shoot them ;D ;D ;D ;D What puzzles me about the rabbits is Jeremy popped his head around the door and said he had to dash as he was in a hurry read this on here. If that was true why bother with rabbits and I thought he hated killing animals :'( we will never know the truth.

I think when he was younger he probably did not - but if he was going to get into the "farming set" I am afraid rabbits etc are considered as vermin and fair game. Like I said before if thats the way you are bought up you can be an animal lover and still go shooting . I know thats really contrversial and losts of people will argue about that , But if you dont look after and care for your stock/crops you wont be a success and getting rid of "vermin" is all part of it. Kinder than the introduction of mixi.

I bet his father would have thought him a bit of a pansy as well if he did not get into all the shooting/hunting  stuff.

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Re: Jeremy and the shot gun:
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2014, 01:23:PM »
We introduced rabbits to Australia,and Oz rues the day we ever did, as the country is overrun with them eating crops and breeding like flies. They're always being shot or culled along with the roos.