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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #360 on: December 19, 2014, 09:45:PM »
Still remarkably articulate,redolent of an English public school education,Jeremy seeks the attention he never received whilst at Gresham’s,a damaged individual as well he might be after all these years of incarceration,so much so that he revels in his own company,preferring the life of a hermit to any exterior force which heretofore offered some ray of hope but ultimately has had no answer to his problems . Notwithstanding one cannot help but feel that however much he talks of the light at the end of the tunnel he is acutely aware of the reality that his incarceration brings: there he will remain for the rest of his days as he shuffles along the dining queue as the geriatric he will be transformed into and to which he himself has alluded,a target for younger inmates once again to exploit as an object of torture both physical and verbal, as he was in younger days. How quickly he dismisses those twenty-six years under the breath at one point on the tape and how do you mark each passing year, how they have lingered as Jeremy senses that he is the underdog yet again poring over the mountain of documents with that hopelessness which has never left him,along with that half-hearted confidence as the guilters and believers look on as bystanders but which in some way has affected us all.http://www.theguardian.com/uk/audio/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-murder-appeal-audio

Hi Steve :)

If Jeremy is really really not guilty and is fighting for his freedom then its very sad that he believes that there was someone moving around in the house, the police in conversation with someone in the house and that the police saw Sheila in the kitchen.

Its all so easy for us as a group on the outside with mountains of information at our fingertips, access to local libraries and to be able to discuss with others whenever we choose about the case. We have some, not all of the documents at hand, but we are able to as a group determine what is right and what might be wrong...not saying that we are right...

What has Jeremy got? No access to outside world, limited library of 2 x 15 minute sessions in one week. No internet or intranet. No one to discuss the case with, no one to go through mountains of paperwork with him, no books can be sent in, (mind you I think that may be changing) He is totally alone and cut off.  Is there any wonder that people who are in jail that should not be have no chance of fighting their corner because to make an appeal can take years, to get justice done can take years.

Its hardly surprising that when he sees a document that says the police are in conversation , that he believes it to be true, because to him it is....he has no one telling him otherwise.  :( ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #361 on: December 19, 2014, 09:54:PM »
Hi Steve :)

If Jeremy is really really not guilty and is fighting for his freedom then its very sad that he believes that there was someone moving around in the house, the police in conversation with someone in the house and that the police saw Sheila in the kitchen.

Its all so easy for us as a group on the outside with mountains of information at our fingertips, access to local libraries and to be able to discuss with others whenever we choose about the case. We have some, not all of the documents at hand, but we are able to as a group determine what is right and what might be wrong...not saying that we are right...

What has Jeremy got? No access to outside world, limited library of 2 x 15 minute sessions in one week. No internet or intranet. No one to discuss the case with, no one to go through mountains of paperwork with him, no books can be sent in, (mind you I think that may be changing) He is totally alone and cut off.  Is there any wonder that people who are in jail that should not be have no chance of fighting their corner because to make an appeal can take years, to get justice done can take years.

Its hardly surprising that when he sees a document that says the police are in conversation , that he believes it to be true, because to him it is....he has no one telling him otherwise.  :( ;D ;D ;D ;D
Of course we have no means of knowing whether Jeremy is trying to hoodwink us again,akin to his reputation at the time as "Tommy Rot Talker of D'Arcy". To some extent we all have traits of Jeremy,we have all made mistakes at varying shades of gravity,though of course not all of us are murderers. The book ban was ridiculous,as are the conditions you highlight,and when the money runs out as it has done with Jeremy the fancy lawyers become unavailable on the other end of the telephone and you are left with your true friends like Mike,who through this site has done more for Jeremy's cause than all those City lawyers put together.

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #362 on: December 19, 2014, 09:55:PM »
Hi Steve :)

If Jeremy is really really not guilty and is fighting for his freedom then its very sad that he believes that there was someone moving around in the house, the police in conversation with someone in the house and that the police saw Sheila in the kitchen.

Its all so easy for us as a group on the outside with mountains of information at our fingertips, access to local libraries and to be able to discuss with others whenever we choose about the case. We have some, not all of the documents at hand, but we are able to as a group determine what is right and what might be wrong...not saying that we are right..
What has Jeremy got? No access to outside world, limited library of 2 x 15 minute sessions in one week. No internet or intranet. No one to discuss the case with, no one to go through mountains of paperwork with him, no books can be sent in, (mind you I think that may be changing) He is totally alone and cut off.  Is there any wonder that people who are in jail that should not be have no chance of fighting their corner because to make an appeal can take years, to get justice done can take years.
Its hardly surprising that when he sees a document that says the police are in conversation , that he believes it to be true, because to him it is....he has no one telling him otherwise.  :( ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well said  Patti  :)
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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #363 on: December 19, 2014, 09:55:PM »
Still remarkably articulate,redolent of an English public school education,Jeremy seeks the attention he never received whilst at Gresham’s,a damaged individual as well he might be after all these years of incarceration,so much so that he revels in his own company,preferring the life of a hermit to any exterior force which heretofore offered some ray of hope but ultimately has had no answer to his problems . Notwithstanding one cannot help but feel that however much he talks of the light at the end of the tunnel he is acutely aware of the reality that his incarceration brings: there he will remain for the rest of his days as he shuffles along the dining queue as the geriatric he will be transformed into and to which he himself has alluded,a target for younger inmates once again to exploit as an object of torture both physical and verbal, as he was in younger days. How quickly he dismisses those twenty-six years under the breath at one point on the tape and how do you mark each passing year, how they have lingered as Jeremy senses that he is the underdog yet again poring over the mountain of documents with that hopelessness which has never left him,along with that  half-hearted confidence as the guilters and believers look on as bystanders but which in some way has affected us all.http://www.theguardian.com/uk/audio/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-murder-appeal-audio







Nothing wrong in not minding your own company,Steve. I actually prefer my own company. I think he's got a positive view and it comes over in the tone of his voice. He certainly doesn't sound sorry for himself at all. As he says,he's kept himself busy with the case,watches telly,reads. It's surprising how the time passes when you're not the type of person who's easily bored. He's obviously taken everything in his stride,I know he hasn't got much choice,but there's no sign of any whingeing,or even arrogance,just the voice of someone who's had the dirty end of the stick. 

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #364 on: December 19, 2014, 10:02:PM »






Nothing wrong in not minding your own company,Steve. I actually prefer my own company. I think he's got a positive view and it comes over in the tone of his voice. He certainly doesn't sound sorry for himself at all. As he says,he's kept himself busy with the case,watches telly,reads. It's surprising how the time passes when you're not the type of person who's easily bored. He's obviously taken everything in his stride,I know he hasn't got much choice,but there's no sign of any whingeing,or even arrogance,just the voice of someone who's had the dirty end of the stick.
I think Jeremy is a master of finding a weakness in the human condition and working on it mercilessly. One would think to listen to him that he had been convicted of driving at 35mph in a 30 zone and he'll be out after the weekend. I'm reminded of his remark to Julie: "It's important to tell the truth wherever possible",and I'm sure that what he remembered of Sheila in her teenage days was accurate. But then she deteriorated,and we get nothing more,just snippets like this which neither confirm nor deny his guilt.

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #365 on: December 19, 2014, 10:11:PM »
Of course we have no means of knowing whether Jeremy is trying to hoodwink us again,akin to his reputation at the time as "Tommy Rot Talker of D'Arcy". To some extent we all have traits of Jeremy,we have all made mistakes at varying shades of gravity,though of course not all of us are murderers. The book ban was ridiculous,as are the conditions you highlight,and when the money runs out as it has done with Jeremy the fancy lawyers become unavailable on the other end of the telephone and you are left with your true friends like Mike,who through this site has done more for Jeremy's cause than all those City lawyers put together.

Trouble is Steve is that this site is only available to those that wish to read it or those that are aware of the Bamber case.  If his surname was Boots then I would think he would be more known.  We now live in a modern word with twitter, facebook and other forms of passing information on.  The problem I have with the internet is that not always does it pass you the correct information. For example if I wanted to look at a crime say in the name Goofy Boofy and I googled that search and got nearly a thousand hits, it would be difficult to find out the truth of what happened. The first you tube video that I chose to watch might be incorrect, but once I had seen it the seed is planted and what I view next might be the truth, but I might not except that as being the truth because I watched the false video first and my mind is telling me that the 2nd one is incorrect.....I'd best get a day job eh Steve?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #366 on: December 19, 2014, 10:12:PM »
I think Jeremy is a master of finding a weakness in the human condition and working on it mercilessly. One would think to listen to him that he had been convicted of driving at 35mph in a 30 zone and he'll be out after the weekend. I'm reminded of his remark to Julie: "It's important to tell the truth wherever possible",and I'm sure that what he remembered of Sheila in her teenage days was accurate. But then she deteriorated,and we get nothing more,just snippets like this which neither confirm nor deny his guilt.





Steve,believe you me,I'm not the type to be taken in. Quite the contrary,I accuse as quick as looking. I've always been like that. Could have been something to do with the job I had,I don't know.
He's living in hope,and there's nothing wrong in that either. When you know you've told the truth you can cope a lot easier than if you'd lied. This is why he's also got stamina because his conscience hasn't been weakened by living a lie. He can face anyone.

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #367 on: December 19, 2014, 10:13:PM »
But if he did not have hope , how could he carry on?

So he has to believe . And I don't think he has any idea how he would cope if he actually got released.

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« Reply #368 on: December 19, 2014, 10:15:PM »
I think Jeremy is a master of finding a weakness in the human condition and working on it mercilessly. One would think to listen to him that he had been convicted of driving at 35mph in a 30 zone and he'll be out after the weekend. I'm reminded of his remark to Julie: "It's important to tell the truth wherever possible",and I'm sure that what he remembered of Sheila in her teenage days was accurate. But then she deteriorated,and we get nothing more,just snippets like this which neither confirm nor deny his guilt.

Actually I have to disagree with you . I think a lot of people who support him are actually very strong people. And in my experience he never asks for anything except to believe him.

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #369 on: December 19, 2014, 10:31:PM »
Actually I have to disagree with you . I think a lot of people who support him are actually very strong people. And in my experience he never asks for anything except to believe him.
But even the strongest people have a weakness:with Margaret Thatcher it was her son,Mark. Tony Blair became corrupted with the glitz and glamour of America. There is no definitive proof in the Bamber case,which is why you pay your money and take your choice.

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« Reply #370 on: December 19, 2014, 10:32:PM »
But if he did not have hope , how could he carry on?

So he has to believe . And I don't think he has any idea how he would cope if he actually got released.

He said it would be frightening....and I believe it would be Jan, for anyone who has spent a long while in prison..

Initially as you know he was given a minimum sentence of 25 years and a review in 2003. This was taken away privately in 19?? and he was given a whole life tariff with no review.  Jeremy was informed of this many years later.

Any murderers who take a life should get life and I am sure everyone would agree to that, but how often do we see child murderers given anything between 7 and 15 years? Surely our system is wrong?

I feel that if Jeremy had not got an extended family he would be a free man today.  I don't think that Jeremy Bamber is a threat to society or that he is a dangerous person...like Manson, Bundy or any other top profile killer.  OK if he has killed 5 people then he deserves to be locked up for life...but, when I see other killers released after 7, 10,15,20 years then why not release him...Why is does our system work for one and not the other? All murders are serious crimes, no one has the right to take a life, but its the unfairness of our system that is wrong....IMO  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #371 on: December 19, 2014, 10:38:PM »
He said it would be frightening....and I believe it would be Jan, for anyone who has spent a long while in prison..

Initially as you know he was given a minimum sentence of 25 years and a review in 2003. This was taken away privately in 19?? and he was given a whole life tariff with no review.  Jeremy was informed of this many years later.

Any murderers who take a life should get life and I am sure everyone would agree to that, but how often do we see child murderers given anything between 7 and 15 years? Surely our system is wrong?

I feel that if Jeremy had not got an extended family he would be a free man today.  I don't think that Jeremy Bamber is a threat to society or that he is a dangerous person...like Manson, Bundy or any other top profile killer.  OK if he has killed 5 people then he deserves to be locked up for life...but, when I see other killers released after 7, 10,15,20 years then why not release him...Why is does our system work for one and not the other? All murders are serious crimes, no one has the right to take a life, but its the unfairness of our system that is wrong....IMO  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I agree with you - murder mean with malice aforethought so consistency of the term should be set in law.

I think if he was truly "mad" he would be in Broadmoor.

I of course am still asking questions - but somehow deep down I do believe he is innocent - but I have no feelings about him in particular because I am totally aware that I do not "know" him . so his personality has had no influence on my current thoughts.

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« Reply #372 on: December 19, 2014, 10:52:PM »
I agree with you - murder mean with malice aforethought so consistency of the term should be set in law.

I think if he was truly "mad" he would be in Broadmoor.

I of course am still asking questions - but somehow deep down I do believe he is innocent - but I have no feelings about him in particular because I am totally aware that I do not "know" him . so his personality has had no influence on my current thoughts.

Jan that is exactly how I view it.  I have divorced myself from Jeremy and, I think its the best way in order to find the truth of what happened...I was like you when I first came onto the forum. I liked to  analyse every document and in order to find flaws first...if that makes sense.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #373 on: December 19, 2014, 11:19:PM »
But even the strongest people have a weakness:with Margaret Thatcher it was her son,Mark. Tony Blair became corrupted with the glitz and glamour of America. There is no definitive proof in the Bamber case,which is why you pay your money and take your choice.

I agree there is no proof - yet

But I don't consider it a weakness to want to try and help a person who may be innocent . It is actually a very hard thing to defend a person in jail - because if you are wrong - it seems very disrespectful to those who have died . It is much simpler to believe his guilt.

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Re: Campion on Sheila's suicide note
« Reply #374 on: December 20, 2014, 09:30:AM »
Just pushing this "current "thread up above a lot of old threads that seem to have very strangely for no logical reason been resurrected.