Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?

[chochokeira]

Bamber told police who attended the scene that Sheila was familiar with guns and that they had gone target shooting together. He said he had been at the farmhouse himself the night before and had loaded the rifle because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He then left it on the kitchen table, fully loaded with a box of ammunition nearby.

With two youngsters in the house?  ....hardly likely or most certainly foolhardy.  Did he hope that Shelia might get a hold of a gun?

JB told at trial that he had never known his sister to fire a gun.

Well that was a downright lie since she had much experience of shooting guns.

Well the relatives must have lied in court aswell then,because they  also testified they had never seen Sheila handle a gun.

+1 Lady Chelmsey!

Also, Sandy, please read Ann Eaton's statement where she admits that she (and/or?) the family misled the police in a sworn statement... with what, in her telling of it, was a tiny, understandable error.

Basically, Ms Eaton claimed that she, or the family member concerned, understandably FORGOT who owned Robert Boutflour's farm in Wix!!!

Were the police (and court?) consequently misled into believing that the grandmother did not own the farm in Wix and that Jeremy Bamber would not therefore have inherited a share in it - and that the family therefore had nothing to gain if their evidence helped to convict Jeremy Bamber?

[andrea]

just read a blog about who owned what, documents have come to light that show ralph  (secretly)owned 50% of anne and peters farm, even june didnt know about this. That according to this blog.

[chochokeira]

Does anyone here live near tolleshunt darcy? If so,does anybody know Guisnes Court in Chapel Road?

I know Guisnes Court, it's a lovely place, I have some pictures of it somewhere. Why do you ask?

Guisnes Court Farm was the principle seat of the manor of Tollesbury - there's aways been controversy regarding whether the house is in Tollesbury or Tolleshunt D'Arcy, it 'moved' parishes and has been recorded as being in both villages. Some say it should come under D'Arcy, other it should come under Tollesbury. So it's sort of betwixt both villages.

The Binney family were Lords of the manor for some time during the early part of the century, then the Godfreys. The Smeyers had it during the 1920s. the Aptin family had it during c 1960s and it was a country club, with a dance hall and restaurant during the 1970s - 1980s, possibly earlier.

During 1984, Purkiss and Ramsay were listed as resident there. There was a Barrett there too - one of the Tolleshunt Major Barratts? There was an Ellerton at Little Gusines: the lodge in 1984.

There was also a property company there during 1984 called Baron Town Property.

I think it might be apartments now, or a residential hotel.

[sandy]

He sold the shares that he already retained in order to fund legal costs.

But those shares were part of his inheritance from his grandmother, I believe.

He didn't get any share from his gran since she changed her will about the time he was arrested. He had shares in his own right which Ralph must have given him at some stage.

[sandy]

just read a blog about who owned what, documents have come to light that show ralph  (secretly)owned 50% of anne and peters farm, even june didnt know about this. That according to this blog.

It is quite surprising just how little siblings actually know about each others property. What you say doesn't surprise me in the least.

[chelmsey]

Does anyone here live near tolleshunt darcy? If so,does anybody know Guisnes Court in Chapel Road?

I know Guisnes Court, it's a lovely place, I have some pictures of it somewhere. Why do you ask?

Guisnes Court Farm was the principle seat of the manor of Tollesbury - there's aways been controversy regarding whether the house is in Tollesbury or Tolleshunt D'Arcy, it 'moved' parishes and has been recorded as being in both villages. Some say it should come under D'Arcy, other it should come under Tollesbury. So it's sort of betwixt both villages.

The Binney family were Lords of the manor for some time during the early part of the century, then the Godfreys. The Smeyers had it during the 1920s. the Aptin family had it during c 1960s and it was a country club, with a dance hall and restaurant during the 1970s - 1980s, possibly earlier.

During 1984, Purkiss and Ramsay were listed as resident there. There was a Barrett there too - one of the Tolleshunt Major Barratts? There was an Ellerton at Little Gusines: the lodge in 1984.

There was also a property company there during 1984 called Baron Town Property.

I think it might be apartments now, or a residential hotel.

I didnt know the history of it,thanks for that.My step-dad along with his two brothers owned it when it was a country club.Yes,I do believe it is apartments now.

[chochokeira]

He sold the shares that he already retained in order to fund legal costs.

But those shares were part of his inheritance from his grandmother, I believe.

He didn't get any share from his gran since she changed her will about the time he was arrested. He had shares in his own right which Ralph must have given him at some stage.

Or which his grandmother gave him - a 21st birthday gift, perhaps? Yet I've definitely seen a reference stating that Jeremy did inherit from his grandmother: perhaps this refers to one of his other grandmothers?

[chochokeira]

Does anyone here live near tolleshunt darcy? If so,does anybody know Guisnes Court in Chapel Road?

I know Guisnes Court, it's a lovely place, I have some pictures of it somewhere. Why do you ask?

Guisnes Court Farm was the principle seat of the manor of Tollesbury - there's aways been controversy regarding whether the house is in Tollesbury or Tolleshunt D'Arcy, it 'moved' parishes and has been recorded as being in both villages. Some say it should come under D'Arcy, other it should come under Tollesbury. So it's sort of betwixt both villages.

The Binney family were Lords of the manor for some time during the early part of the century, then the Godfreys. The Smeyers had it during the 1920s. the Aptin family had it during c 1960s and it was a country club, with a dance hall and restaurant during the 1970s - 1980s, possibly earlier.

During 1984, Purkiss and Ramsay were listed as resident there. There was a Barrett there too - one of the Tolleshunt Major Barratts? There was an Ellerton at Little Gusines: the lodge in 1984.

There was also a property company there during 1984 called Baron Town Property.

I think it might be apartments now, or a residential hotel.

I didnt know the history of it,thanks for that.My step-dad along with his two brothers owned it when it was a country club.Yes,I do believe it is apartments now.

Fascinating, please tell me more, I'm researching for a book about D'Arcy, Goldhanger and nearby villages - my family lived there for centuries and I'm always up that way. Do you have any photographs? When was your step father there, Lady C?  I may know him.

[chochokeira]

just read a blog about who owned what, documents have come to light that show ralph  (secretly)owned 50% of anne and peters farm, even june didnt know about this. That according to this blog.

Hmmm. Very interesting. I wonder if this might have been in some way connected to the time one of the family allegedly punched Nevill in the face?


*Apologies for messing up so many posts today, I'm in my office and posting during breaks.

[chochokeira]

just read a blog about who owned what, documents have come to light that show ralph  (secretly)owned 50% of anne and peters farm, even june didnt know about this. That according to this blog.

Well done for finding this, +1 Andrea. I wonder if this relates to information that Vortex posted a while back:

"In David Shaw's text he describes an argument that took place between Neville Bamber and Peter Eaton in which Peter Eaton punched Neville in the face. The heated argument was related to a land deal apparently?"

[ngb1066]

Bamber told police who attended the scene that Sheila was familiar with guns and that they had gone target shooting together. He said he had been at the farmhouse himself the night before and had loaded the rifle because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He then left it on the kitchen table, fully loaded with a box of ammunition nearby.

With two youngsters in the house?  ....hardly likely or most certainly foolhardy.  Did he hope that Shelia might get a hold of a gun?

JB told at trial that he had never known his sister to fire a gun.[/quote]


To be fair I believe he said at trial that he had never seen Sheila fire a gun as an adult.

[clifford]

Also if Jeremy had run or cycled back to Goldhanger he must of been sweaty.
No mention of this.

[Kaldin]

The Estate, the Court Actions and granny.

Jeremy Bamber alleged that the financial considerations meant the extended family, specifically two of the cousins whom he named, wanted to see him convicted, and may even have set him up. The cousins responded that Bamber was a psychopath, that his allegations against them over the years are part of an attempt to harass and vilify them and that the allegation that they set him up is "an absolute load of piffle.

Bamber launched several unsuccessful lawsuits to recover some of the money. In 2003, he began a High Court action to recover £1.2m from his adoptive grandmother, Mabel Speakman's, estate. He told the court he should have inherited Speakman's home at Carbonnells Farm, Wix, near Clacton, and that he was owed 17 years back rent for the property from his cousins who were living there.

Speakman cut Bamber out of her will when he was arrested, and most of the inheritance went to Pamela Boutflour, June Bamber's sister, who subsequently moved into Carbonnells Farm with her husband Robert.  In 2004, Bamber went back to the High Court to argue he had been unfairly frozen out of the profits made by the caravan site. Although at that point no longer a shareholder, he had retained shares after his conviction, but had sold them to pay legal costs in connection with the 2003 attempt to claim his grandmother's estate. The High Court ruled that he was not entitled to any profit from the caravan site because of his conviction.

Where did Robert and Pamela Boutflour live before they moved into Carbonnells Farm, and who lived at Carbonnells Farm before them? I thought Mabel Speakman lived at Vaulty Manor in Goldhanger.

[Paul]

Also if Jeremy had run or cycled back to Goldhanger he must of been sweaty.
No mention of this.

Depending on what time he did it obviously. Say he did the deed at 2 am. Plenty of time for composing himself.

[clifford]

Imagine that you had just murdered 5 people. Could you compose yourself.
With the best will in the world the addrenalin would be flowing.