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Offline shonapugs

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #180 on: April 04, 2011, 12:14:AM »
I'm liking the shonaPLUGS thing!! It makes me sound like a plumber!! But, sadly, I'm not. I'm just a sad old bint who thinks that JB made a deal with someone to kill his family. Because, make no mistake, it surely wasn't Sheila. Sorry, Mike, but it wasn't. The images that you have put up on this forum prove that.

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #181 on: April 04, 2011, 12:15:AM »
I completely agree Shona...

Jeremy's prior dishonesty towards his family. Much more was to come...

Julie Mugford also admitted to a brief background of dishonesty. She was cautioned in 1985 for having used a friend's chequebook, after it had been reported stolen, to obtain goods worth £700; when they were discovered, she said she and the friend repaid the money to the bank.

She also said that in March or April 1985 she had helped Jeremy Bamber steal just under £1,000 from the office of the Osea Road caravan site his family owned.  She said he had stage-managed the break-in to make it seem as though strangers had done it. The admission added both to the picture of her own dishonesty and to Bamber's.  Remember that the murders were in August 1985.

After Bamber's trial, Mugford left Britain and later started a new life in Canada, where she married in 1991, works in education, and has two children.

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #182 on: April 04, 2011, 12:18:AM »
Bamber told police who attended the scene that Sheila was familiar with guns and that they had gone target shooting together. He said he had been at the farmhouse himself the night before and had loaded the rifle because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He then left it on the kitchen table, fully loaded with a box of ammunition nearby.

With two youngsters in the house?  ....hardly likely or most certainly foolhardy.  Did he hope that Shelia might get a hold of a gun?

JB told at trial that he had never known his sister to fire a gun.

Well that was a downright lie since she had much experience of shooting guns.

Well the relatives must have lied in court aswell then,because they  also testified they had never seen Sheila handle a gun.

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #183 on: April 04, 2011, 12:21:AM »
Not necessarily handle a gun.

It was argued that Sheila would have been unable to fire and reload the rifle. Ann Eaton testified that Sheila had very little knowledge of guns; indeed, she stated that Sheila did not know one end of a gun from the other when in reality she had been taught how to fire guns, including shotguns, whilst on a shooting holiday in Scotland with David Boutflour. Photographs of Sheila holding guns were found.

Sheila had also participated in target shooting and so had used firearms on numerous occasions over a number of years. She had observed the Anschutz having been reloaded. Indeed, she had watched Bamber load the rifle on the eve of her death. Sheila had lived on a farm, where firearms were used on a regular basis, for much of her life. Under such circumstances, it is inconceivable to believe that she was unable to use a rifle at short range.
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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #184 on: April 04, 2011, 12:22:AM »
I thought that we have been through all of this hundreds of times already  ???

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #185 on: April 04, 2011, 12:23:AM »
Not necessarily handle a gun.

It was argued that Sheila would have been unable to fire and reload the rifle. Ann Eaton testified that Sheila had very little knowledge of guns; indeed, she stated that Sheila did not know one end of a gun from the other when in reality she had been taught how to fire guns, including shotguns, whilst on a shooting holiday in Scotland with David Boutflour. Photographs of Sheila holding guns were found.

Sheila had also participated in target shooting and so had used firearms on numerous occasions over a number of years. She had observed the Anschutz having been reloaded. Indeed, she had watched Bamber load the rifle on the eve of her death. Sheila had lived on a farm, where firearms were used on a regular basis, for much of her life. Under such circumstances, it is inconceivable to believe that she was unable to use a rifle at short range.

sorry,I dont know what you mean then

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #186 on: April 04, 2011, 12:23:AM »
Some of us are new to this lady dear.

Sheila was well familiar with the guns I have no doubt but to beat up Ralph and then shoot him and the others is a non starter for me.
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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #187 on: April 04, 2011, 12:31:AM »
Mugford spills the beans!

In her second statement to police, Julie Mugford said Jeremy had talked disparagingly about his "old" father, his "mad" mother, his sister who he said had nothing to live for, and the twins who he said were disturbed. Bamber denied this, saying she was making the allegations only because he jilted her.
 
Mugford's mother also said Bamber had told her he "hated" his adoptive mother and described her as mad. A friend of Mugford's testified that Bamber had said around February 1985 that his parents kept him short of money, his mother was a religious freak, and "I fucking hate my parents." A farm worker testified that he seemed not to get on with Sheila and had once said: "I'm not going to share my money with my sister".

In discussions Mugford said she had dismissed his rants as fantasies, he said he wanted to sedate his parents and set fire to the farmhouse. He reportedly said Sheila would make a good scapegoat. Mugford alleged he had discussed entering the house through the kitchen window because the catch was broken, and leaving it via a different window that latched when it was shut from the outside. She said she spent the weekend before the murders with him in his cottage in Goldhanger, where he dyed his hair black, and that she saw his mother's bicycle there. This was significant because the prosecution later alleged he had used the bicycle to cycle between his cottage and the farmhouse on the night of the murders.

She told police Bamber had telephoned her on at 9.50pm on 6 August to say he had been thinking about the crime all day, was pissed off, and that it was "tonight or never." A few hours later, between 3.00–3.30am, she said he phoned her again to say: "Everything is going well. Something is wrong at the farm. I haven't had any sleep all night … bye honey and I love you lots". Her flatmates' evidence suggested that call came through closer to 3.00am.

He called her later during the morning of 7 August 1985 to tell her that Sheila had gone mad and that a police car was coming to pick her up and bring her to the farmhouse. When she arrived there, she said he pulled her to one side and said: "I should have been an actor!".

Later that evening she asked whether he had done it. He said no, but that a friend of his had, whom he named; the man was a plumber the family had used in the past. He said he had told this friend how he could enter and leave the farmhouse undetected, and that one of his instructions had been for the friend to telephone him from the farm on one of the phones in the house that had a memory redial facility, so that if the police checked it, it would give him an alibi. Everything had gone as planned, he said, except that Nevill had put up a fight, and the friend had become angry and shot him seven times.
 
He had told Sheila to lie down and shoot herself last, Bamber said. He then placed the Bible on her chest so she appeared to have killed herself in a religious frenzy. The children were shot in their sleep, he said. Mugford said Bamber claimed to have paid the friend £2,000.

Seems extremely plausible to me especially since Julie didn't know much of this for fact anyway.  There is far too much factual detail in this for it to be made up.

Jeremy took the cowards way out and got some mug to do the dirty work for him.
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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #188 on: April 04, 2011, 12:38:AM »
Go Sandy. Thank you for reiterating (?) stuff that we already know, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded. All the facts, and some evidence, are out there. We just have to make up our own minds. Sadly, the images of Sheila, Ralph and June tell the story of what happened on that night.

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #189 on: April 04, 2011, 12:42:AM »
New eyes see things Shona.

# Having been interviewed he was released on bail and thereafter asserts that within a day or two he went to the White House Farm and climbed in through the very downstairs toilet window and thereby provided an explanation for the marks on the window frame. This resulted in his being asked in evidence the very pertinent question whether it was unwise to go back within 2 days of being questioned about climbing in and out of the downstairs toilet window to and leave marks on that very same window in order to get into and out of the house.

# The prosecution had established conclusively and without challenge the appellant's ability to enter and leave the White House Farm when it was apparently secure from his own answers. Julie Mugford confirmed the fact.

Seems the farmhouse wasn't secure after all.
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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #190 on: April 04, 2011, 12:46:AM »
I'd love to be flash and sat how much I admire you're work, but all I've got is.........Get In!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that you are very close.....................

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #191 on: April 04, 2011, 12:47:AM »
Oh, bugger, I didn't mean to say "sat"............ but, hey ho.................


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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #192 on: April 04, 2011, 11:18:AM »
I think that they were Ralph's socks, taken off before he finally got into bed. And he WAS in bed at some stage, sorry, Mike, but you can see the imprint of his head on the pillow. Where he slept. And the quilt was thrown back when he had to get up. June didn't get the chance to get up before she was shot, at first. It's all there, quite clear for us all to see. A sleeping family, caught unaware.


If they were Ralph's (Nevill's) socks...where are the pants?

Did you ever know a man chuck his socks on the floor yet put his pants in the washing basket?

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #193 on: April 04, 2011, 11:22:AM »
He sold the shares that he already retained in order to fund legal costs.

But those shares were part of his inheritance from his grandmother, I believe.

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #194 on: April 04, 2011, 11:25:AM »
Does anyone here live near tolleshunt darcy? If so,does anybody know Guisnes Court in Chapel Road?

I know Guisnes Court, it's a lovely place, I have some pictures of it somewhere. Why do you ask?