The Threat.

[Alias]

Just quoting the judge.

I know - but this phrase is always used in cases without direct evidence. It is always a "mountain", to make it seem more than it actually is.

[nugnug]

Wheels within wheels. It's got to be proven yet.Don't worry,there'd have been NO information held back that would have proved Jeremys' guilt. We'd have heard it LONG before now.

if somones protesting there innocence and appealing and they would want to make that information public to shut them up wouldent they.

[Jane]

Wheels within wheels. It's got to be proven yet.Don't worry,there'd have been NO information held back that would have proved Jeremys' guilt. We'd have heard it LONG before now.

Lookout, I'm inclined to agree. What on EARTH would be the point of holding back proof of anyone's guilt after they've been proven guilty.

[Patti]

An interesting article on noble cause corruption

    http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=313

How sad is that Tyler. 5 appeals later.

One of the most heart-rending examples I came across was an excerpt from a letter written by Michael MacMahon just after his appeal had been turned down for an unprecedented fifth time ... ‘I am here in my cell writing this having served almost nine years of a sentence for a murder I did not commit. I also know that I sit here not because of any evidence against me but because of the legal establishment's concern for its own pretensions of infallibility’. Michael MacMahon served his full sentence but sadly died in 2000 aged 55. However his family continued the fight for justice and, with the assistance of Gareth Pierce, Michael's posthumous sixth appeal eventually succeeded on 31 July 2003.

[nugnug]

you would think they would release it before the appeal was heard wouldent you.

[Adam]

Lookout, I'm inclined to agree. What on EARTH would be the point of holding back proof of anyone's guilt after they've been proven guilty.

It won't be held back.  Just submitted at appropriate appeals.

[lookout]

How sad is that Tyler. 5 appeals later.

One of the most heart-rending examples I came across was an excerpt from a letter written by Michael MacMahon just after his appeal had been turned down for an unprecedented fifth time ... ‘I am here in my cell writing this having served almost nine years of a sentence for a murder I did not commit. I also know that I sit here not because of any evidence against me but because of the legal establishment's concern for its own pretensions of infallibility’. Michael MacMahon served his full sentence but sadly died in 2000 aged 55. However his family continued the fight for justice and, with the assistance of Gareth Pierce, Michael's posthumous sixth appeal eventually succeeded on 31 July 2003.

How sad is that ? How cruel.

I was reading about the case of Sam Hallam who was imprisoned,wrongly,for 8 years and during that time the lads' father died with the strain of it all,then the grandmother.

[Patti]

you would think they would release it before the appeal was heard wouldent you.

Stuff like this is not rare....its almost like the full truth is buried, but it also rises from the depth it was placed in....Its a real shame in this case it came too late.

It has to be said that Jeremy Bamber is the only man fighting his case after an impeccable 30 years.
If Essex police had nothing to hide then why do they hang on to documents and why did they destroy documents when Jeremy was still fighting his case. 

[Jan]

Whether Jeremy directly or indirectly arranged for Harrison to get the threatening letter, no one knows. But why should Jeremy a supporter or supporters  be so upset or surprised if a new book is going to highlight guilt ?

Supporters on forums have often mentioned Mason Doyle's forthcoming book. Which seems to have disappeared. Optimistically believing that a new book will bring up new evidence showing Jeremy's innocence. But if that was going to happen, surely Jeremy would have already found this evidence. He's been campaigning for 29 years, & apparently has two sets of legal teams and a campaign team.

That was the authors claim not Jeremys

The best a new book could do would be to be a Scott Lomax esq book. Which would in a biased way suggest his innocence.

Any good investigative author will try to produce a balanced book, which would highlight the guilt that has convicted Jeremy for 29 years.  While discussing the unproven claims about police corruption, family frame ups & savage girlfriends.  But the author claimed he was trying to prove an MOJ

So why would Jeremy, a supporter or supporters be so upset when finding out the content of Harrison's book ?  I don't think they are particularly, they are more annoyed about him accusing JB of instigating the letter and putting it in the press when he does not have proof and also dragging other peoples names into the article

One reason is because Harrison went into the book believing there could be a miscarriage of justice. Which could be a reason why Jeremy has engaged with him. However, similar to other writers Harrison has changed stance.  No he has not , his last comments were it still could be a MOJ - buy JB could still be guilty there is a difference

Being the first book in years, a guilty book will be a big blow which negates the internet and media work trying to secure a release. Obviously too much of a big blow for someone, or some people. See above

Writing a threatening letter does more harm than good. It will never stop the author trying to get the book published. He may have spent years writing it. It creates bad publicity and highlights that an author believes Jeremy is guilty, putting Jeremy & his supporters in a bad light. ? Or if JB did not instigate the letter who does it put in a bad light

Why do people believe a person or people wrote the threatening letter ? Have not got a Scooby doo

[nugnug]

theres allready been an appeal they would of submitted it before that.

[Patti]

How sad is that ? How cruel.

I was reading about the case of Sam Hallam who was imprisoned,wrongly,for 8 years and during that time the lads' father died with the strain of it all,then the grandmother.

Its sole destroying Lookout.  Once you can accept that it is possible that evidence can be made to fit the crime theory, you can and only them view this case with an open mind....

[Jane]

It won't be held back.  Just submitted at appropriate appeals.

My point is, if condemning information proving guilt HASN'T been previously revealed, it HAS been withheld...................and given that Jeremy was found guilty, of what value can it be? 

[lookout]

 PH was following the " Bible John " case where 3 young women were murdered in Glasgow,and there was a sick theme connected to the murders which was that the 3 young women were menstruating.
PH was convinced that the murderer was an ex-cop,but I have my doubts whether the man who was arrested in the end,was ever a cop,and that was Peter Tobin.
PH wrote a book based on the killings " Dancing with the Devil " because the 3 women had been murdered after attending a dance hall in Glasgow.

[guest154]

There won't be any new evidence in any book, I am quite certain of that

The only new evidence that could change things will be held under PII like nearly every other moj case

Authors and writers that make sensational claims are nearly always short of cash

In that case why were you so desperate to help him promote the book?

How quickly like Bob Woffinden before him, that Mason Doyle has gone from Hero to zero don't you think Roch? Its been the same pattern for several posters as well who changed from tunnel vision to funnel vision?

Seems some posters only like people who agree with them. Once they doubt Bambers innocence steps are taken to try and discredit them.



I had no idea he had changed his stance, not until it was posted about on the board after his ban - even then I was unsure.

I'll buy his book because it seems some people don't want others to read the book - that in itself seems to say alot. 

[lookout]

None whatsoever,April.