The Threat.

[Patti]

i dont think he made it up becouse i cant see him using those words.

I'd like it if he made a formal complaint if the letter is genuine, with hope of catching the person responsible Nugs. 

He is an ex policeman so he knows what he is doing is not right.

I'll tell you a short story Nugs.

A few years my son went out on the town. When he came home he was very ill and I put it down to drinking too much. He argued with me and told me that he had hardly drank anything. Meanwhile, he also told me this cotton bull story that whilst he went out of one of the pubs for some fresh air he was mugged and had his wallet taken.  I did not believe at first, but he was so ill.

I contacted the police who took a statement from my son. I got the gut feeling they didn't believe him. My son went for a blood test and they found some drug inside of him that was enough to knock an elephant out...I have forgotten the name of it.  I then thought OMG he is on drugs....I pondered and I knew in my heart that my son was not lying.

Meanwhile his wallet was missing so he had to notify the bank. His whole account had been wiped out and according to his account it had been used to buy item off Ebay.

The police did nothing. I myself did my own investigation and when I had all the information I needed I handed it over to the police. 

It was only then they decided to look at the CCTV in the pub and picked my son out and noticed that someone a girl had spiked his drink. This made him very poorly so he went outside and sat on the kirb edge and this is when he was robbed.

The girl was arrested and charged in the end and my son got a full apology.....

The point I am making is that if you do nothing, nothing will get done and these sort of people will get away with it time after time. 

[Caroline]

All of JB"s letters are read by the prison! That includes mail going in and coming out!

I repeat ALL mail will be read. Prisons on the whole do not accept mail without a name and address of the sender.

Therefore I believe whoever is behind this is a troll.

This is true and I don't believe he had anything to do with it.

[Patti]

He states clearly why he isn't taking things further, because after discussing things with a police officer, he decided it wouldn't go anywhere because I guess it can't be proved who sent it. However, I'd say I don't agree with that and maybe (and I hope he does) he'll have a change of heart and peruse it.

I don't think it was sent by someone holding a grudge against Jackie or NGB, I think it's someone holding a grudge against Paul Harrison and I do believe the letter is genuine because he has no reason to lie.

I should add that I don't think Jeremy Bamber would ever be party to something like this as he has far too much to lose. However, if this is a supporter, they have done him some real damage.

Well that is up to PH of course. I would certainly pursue it. How does he know this letter cannot be traced if he hasn't tried? Surely with today's technology there has to be some DNA or something that can be of use. He does not say he went to the police he merely had a contact.

Back in the Yorkshire Ripper days....George Oldfield received letters and it is only with new technology many years later that the sender was found....

I would want the sender behind bars would you? 

[Mr. Gee]

He states clearly why he isn't taking things further, because after discussing things with a police officer, he decided it wouldn't go anywhere because I guess it can't be proved who sent it. However, I'd say I don't agree with that and maybe (and I hope he does) he'll have a change of heart and peruse it.

I don't think it was sent by someone holding a grudge against Jackie or NGB, I think it's someone holding a grudge against Paul Harrison and I do believe the letter is genuine because he has no reason to lie.

I should add that I don't think Jeremy Bamber would ever be party to something like this as he has far too much to lose. However, if this is a supporter, they have done him some real damage.

I could agree with that Caroline.

[Caroline]

Well that is up to PH of course. I would certainly pursue it. How does he know this letter cannot be traced if he hasn't tried? Surely with today's technology there has to be some DNA or something that can be of use. He does not say he went to the police he merely had a contact.

Back in the Yorkshire Ripper days....George Oldfield received letters and it is only with new technology many years later that the sender was found....

I would want the sender behind bars would you? 

Of course!!

[Stephanie]

I think the prison should be investigated also.

'IF' and that's a big IF a letter like this was allowed to be sent out by JB - which is highly unlikely - then the officers who should have checked his mail need to be spoken to! Heads should roll IMO!

[Mr. Gee]

I'd like it if he made a formal complaint if the letter is genuine, with hope of catching the person responsible Nugs. 

He is an ex policeman so he knows what he is doing is not right.

I'll tell you a short story Nugs.

A few years my son went out on the town. When he came home he was very ill and I put it down to drinking too much. He argued with me and told me that he had hardly drank anything. Meanwhile, he also told me this cotton bull story that whilst he went out of one of the pubs for some fresh air he was mugged and had his wallet taken.  I did not believe at first, but he was so ill.

I contacted the police who took a statement from my son. I got the gut feeling they didn't believe him. My son went for a blood test and they found some drug inside of him that was enough to knock an elephant out...I have forgotten the name of it.  I then thought OMG he is on drugs....I pondered and I knew in my heart that my son was not lying.

Meanwhile his wallet was missing so he had to notify the bank. His whole account had been wiped out and according to his account it had been used to buy item off Ebay.

The police did nothing. I myself did my own investigation and when I had all the information I needed I handed it over to the police. 

It was only then they decided to look at the CCTV in the pub and picked my son out and noticed that someone a girl had spiked his drink. This made him very poorly so he went outside and sat on the kirb edge and this is when he was robbed.

The girl was arrested and charged in the end and my son got a full apology.....

The point I am making is that if you do nothing, nothing will get done and these sort of people will get away with it time after time. 

That's a very interesting story Patti. My son has also an interesting story when he was arrested for something he had not done.
I noted particularly the bit about the police finding drugs in his blood stream. Just think, this could have been another moj if you hadn't done your own investigation. That one fact of this girl spiking his drink was missing. Yet it was the vital element that vindicated your son. Interesting.

[Mr. Gee]

Well that is up to PH of course. I would certainly pursue it. How does he know this letter cannot be traced if he hasn't tried? Surely with today's technology there has to be some DNA or something that can be of use. He does not say he went to the police he merely had a contact.

Back in the Yorkshire Ripper days....George Oldfield received letters and it is only with new technology many years later that the sender was found....

I would want the sender behind bars would you? 

Yes I would Patti, because it is malicious and damaging for all parties including PH himself no doubt? Although it has led to people having suspicions about the wrong people. Innocent people. I suspect that the writer of this alleged letter knew exactly what they would achieve?

[nugnug]

Well that is up to PH of course. I would certainly pursue it. How does he know this letter cannot be traced if he hasn't tried? Surely with today's technology there has to be some DNA or something that can be of use. He does not say he went to the police he merely had a contact.

Back in the Yorkshire Ripper days....George Oldfield received letters and it is only with new technology many years later that the sender was found....

I would want the sender behind bars would you? 

well you would think so wouldn't you and your right how does he know they would impossble to trace if he doesnt try and trace them.

[Patti]

That's a very interesting story Patti. My son has also an interesting story when he was arrested for something he had not done.
I noted particularly the bit about the police finding drugs in his blood stream. Just think, this could have been another moj if you hadn't done your own investigation. That one fact of this girl spiking his drink was missing. Yet it was the vital element that vindicated your son. Interesting.

It was an hard time Grahame. I had my doubts that he was telling me the truth, but when I saw how ill he was for several days after and the look in eyes that said please believe me mum. I melted on the spot. I knew from then on my son was telling me the truth and he was.

The story sounded so far fetched and I was ill at the time, but I regret not believing him and in him.

I am trying to think of the drug....i now it end "lin"

I've had several runs ins Grahame....I contacted MWT about it....The police were pathetic and I told them so at the time. CEOP were wonderful and got the matter resolved very quickly.

It takes a long time to recover from something like that Grahame....I hope your son is OK...

[lookout]

  I remember that horrendous incident with your son,Patti. The investigation was abysmal considering it was so serious. It's not something that you get over in a hurry either,and does make you aware that there are those around who do go all out to ruin peoples' lives. Nutjobs !

[Mr. Gee]

It was an hard time Grahame. I had my doubts that he was telling me the truth, but when I saw how ill he was for several days after and the look in eyes that said please believe me mum. I melted on the spot. I knew from then on my son was telling me the truth and he was.

The story sounded so far fetched and I was ill at the time, but I regret not believing him and in him.

I am trying to think of the drug....i now it end "lin"

I've had several runs ins Grahame....I contacted MWT about it....The police were pathetic and I told them so at the time. CEOP were wonderful and got the matter resolved very quickly.

It takes a long time to recover from something like that Grahame....I hope your son is OK...

I can see now why you have doubts about Bamber's guilt Patti, as do I. Your story tells me a lot about your insight into these things. Although everything seems to point to Bamber being guilty I have grave concerns that Essex police are holding something vital back?

[Mr. Gee]

  I remember that horrendous incident with your son,Patti. The investigation was abysmal considering it was so serious. It's not something that you get over in a hurry either,and does make you aware that there are those around who do go all out to ruin peoples' lives. Nutjobs !

Although I try to help the police quite often through my work I nevertheless think they let us down on many occasions (I'm not an enemy og the police as some think) it frustrates me to see how incredibly stupid they sometimes can be and you will be surprised just how many moj's there are because of this. PH said afer 30 years he has some kind of sixth sense about the criminal mind I suggest that too many coppers trust in this "sixth sense" and that if there is no evidence they create some evidence? This together with this unbreakable comradeship and vow of silence when one of them is in trouble makes a dangerous mix. I don't say this idley either even PH said something similar himself.

[Jane]

But why would the campaign team implicate Jackie and NGB?

This is my take on it Grahame.

1. He disliked what was being said about him on here and the red.
2. Someone had announced he had died (which was not good at all) I can understand his anger at that.
3. Jackie's thread which caused a right ole commotion in which he posted in and appeared rather angry.
4. He then had words with NGB and made threats.
5 He was banned as a consequence of that argument.
6. He was also banned from the red forum
7. He now receives a threat on his life implicating the two people 3 and 4.
8. He discusses the threatening letter with a contact from the police...He does not make a formal complaint.
9. He then gets in touch with the press and hey up!
10. The reporter makes contact with NGB
11. On the Sunday 19th October it is all in Scotland's Sunday Express hitting front page headlines.
12. Its either a publicity campaign to sell his book
13. He does not say the letter is written by a male or female.
14. It is true and it really did occur
15. If its the latter then it is someone who has a deep grudge on NGB and Jackie.

I think its a bag of bol****ks to be honest....

Patti, surely you can't believe that the thoughts of a handful of people on a pro(?) Bamber forum is of ANY significance to a widely known -even if Grahame HAS'T previously heard of him- and respected author.
1. He probably couldn't care less
2. You're right. He wouldn't have liked it.
3. Anger was the appropriate response to it.
4. I imagine he was fighting his corner.
5. A professional hazard. We weren't his buddies. We'd served our purpose.
6. Ditto
7. Had one of those not misleadingly and knowingly implicated themself it wouldn't have been known.
8. It seems he was advised.
9. He turned something negative into a positive. Better for him psychologically.
10. Neil was mentioned. They didn't pull his name from a hat.
11. Basically, it's his local rag.
12. Why NOT make it work for him. Again better psychologically.
13. So why the rush to defend and exonerate a particular person? Thoughts you'd rather NOT have?
14. YES!!! Scary thought, that, isn't it?
15. OR it's someone who has a VERY deep grudge against PH because......................

I hope he takes this further, Patti and I can't believe you don't. The suggestion here, that an author of renown is going to MAKE UP a story of a poison pen letter -let alone one which implicates REAL people- to sell a book guaranteed, because of the genre, to sell, smacks of panic.

[Jane]

How would someone know PH's address ?
 
Why would PH believe that Jeremy is a threat after 29 years ?

" Mr Super Cop " ( how odd ) is an online game or an arcade game on Youtube. More a MAN thing !?

So it's a man posing as a woman.

That would depend on  what search facilities they have at their disposal.

Not for a moment do I believe he does.

YOU know about it!

So it's a woman attempting to make it look as if it's a man posing as a woman.