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Offline Adam

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« Reply #195 on: December 28, 2014, 10:57:AM »



How did they do that, Adam. Did they use the waterboard technique or perhaps resort to the tried and tested thumb screw method?

No. That is illegal. Bamber had his lawyer present at all times.

They asked asked him. Several times.
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« Reply #196 on: December 28, 2014, 11:00:AM »
No. That is illegal. Bamber had his lawyer present at all times.

They asked asked him. Several times.




So "they had to extract it" was a TAD strong. He volunteered the information MAY have been more correct.

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« Reply #197 on: December 28, 2014, 11:20:AM »
As far as I can see from the interviews he answered each question when it was asked. It was a month later and he had not like AE written notes about timings and what had happened. Why should  he if he was innocent.

now if he was guilty and thought he might be questioned at some stage you would think he would have got all his answers and details 100% spot on. Because he would have been ready for any eventuality.

even if you were witness to something extremely traumatic I expect most people if asked a month later may get confused about details about timings - probably not about what they saw - because it can be engrained in your mind - I think that is the case with most people - but how long something took or peoples exact words ? I think they can become blurred.

He readily said he and OTHER members of the family knew how to get in an out ( and anyone who knew about sash windows I should think) - but that old chestnut of the windows locking from the outside rears its ugly head again.

It was never physically proven that a window that was big enough for Jeremy to get out of would "lock" from the outside . Only the family said it would. perhaps if the house still has the same windows they could send us a video to prove this once and for all . Still does not mean it happened on the night though but at least we would know it was possible. Knowing sash windows I don't believe it.

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Re: The found hacksaw:
« Reply #198 on: December 28, 2014, 11:22:AM »
No. That is illegal. Bamber had his lawyer present at all times.

They asked asked him. Several times.
In actual fact he didn't. In his first interviews we refused the use of a duty solicitor I believe? Although I an prepared to be corrected on this.

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« Reply #199 on: December 28, 2014, 11:27:AM »
In actual fact he didn't. In his first interviews we refused the use of a duty solicitor I believe? Although I an prepared to be corrected on this.

I think you are correct - and we have very few documents showing the interviews on here . I am sure there must have been more.


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« Reply #200 on: December 28, 2014, 11:33:AM »
In actual fact he didn't. In his first interviews we refused the use of a duty solicitor I believe? Although I an prepared to be corrected on this.

Well when he was first arrested in London, Bruce Bowler was with him for the interviews.
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« Reply #201 on: December 28, 2014, 11:59:AM »
In actual fact he didn't. In his first interviews we refused the use of a duty solicitor I believe? Although I an prepared to be corrected on this.





He wouldn't have thought a solicitor necessary Mr G,as in Jeremys' mind,why would he need one if he hadn't done anything ? A BIG mistake on Jeremys' part,I think,as he DIDN'T have a solicitor.

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« Reply #202 on: December 28, 2014, 12:27:PM »
As far as I can see from the interviews he answered each question when it was asked. It was a month later and he had not like AE written notes about timings and what had happened. Why should  he if he was innocent.

now if he was guilty and thought he might be questioned at some stage you would think he would have got all his answers and details 100% spot on. Because he would have been ready for any eventuality.

even if you were witness to something extremely traumatic I expect most people if asked a month later may get confused about details about timings - probably not about what they saw - because it can be engrained in your mind - I think that is the case with most people - but how long something took or peoples exact words ? I think they can become blurred.

He readily said he and OTHER members of the family knew how to get in an out ( and anyone who knew about sash windows I should think) - but that old chestnut of the windows locking from the outside rears its ugly head again.

It was never physically proven that a window that was big enough for Jeremy to get out of would "lock" from the outside . Only the family said it would. perhaps if the house still has the same windows they could send us a video to prove this once and for all . Still does not mean it happened on the night though but at least we would know it was possible. Knowing sash windows I don't believe it.
In his police interviews he comes over as an innocent man in my opinion. Unfortunately all his mistakes are treated as lies by some and all Mugford's lies were treated as if they were Bamber's lies and not her own. Strange bit of illogical reasoning if you ask me?

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« Reply #203 on: December 28, 2014, 12:29:PM »
Bambers police interviews were deeply damaging to him.

His WS and court testimony were no better.

Three threads created.
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« Reply #204 on: December 28, 2014, 12:32:PM »
Bambers police interviews were deeply damaging to him.

His WS and court testimony were no better.

Three threads created.
In what way Adam?

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« Reply #205 on: December 28, 2014, 12:43:PM »
In what way Adam?

I won't say what Lookout says - 'find it yourself'.

But there are three threads created by me on each. I explain how they do Bamber no favours.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The found hacksaw:
« Reply #206 on: December 28, 2014, 01:29:PM »
In his police interviews he comes over as an innocent man in my opinion. Unfortunately all his mistakes are treated as lies by some and all Mugford's lies were treated as if they were Bamber's lies and not her own. Strange bit of illogical reasoning if you ask me?

I agree - he came over a bit cocky because he thought the police were being stupid even thinking he had done it - then I think he began to realise they could be serious.

Its like when people accuse him of grasping at straws to get himself out - of course he is - because he does not know what went on in the house . He has no idea. Other than what is presented by EP.

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Re: The found hacksaw:
« Reply #207 on: December 28, 2014, 01:31:PM »
I won't say what Lookout says - 'find it yourself'.

But there are three threads created by me on each. I explain how they do Bamber no favours.
Well they couldn't have been very convincing threads then as they passed me by without even the slightest disturbance in the force?

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« Reply #208 on: December 28, 2014, 01:34:PM »
I agree - he came over a bit cocky because he thought the police were being stupid even thinking he had done it - then I think he began to realise they could be serious.

Its like when people accuse him of grasping at straws to get himself out - of course he is - because he does not know what went on in the house . He has no idea. Other than what is presented by EP.
Not only that. They kept lying to him by telling him that certain people had said such and such, when that was not so. In that way they turned words around so that they came out all lilly white. Awell know police tactic.

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Re: The found hacksaw:
« Reply #209 on: December 28, 2014, 01:35:PM »
I won't say what Lookout says - 'find it yourself'.

But there are three threads created by me on each. I explain how they do Bamber no favours.





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