The found hacksaw:

[Patti]

No because at the time they found it they knew Jeremy used thin metal objects to open the lock so at that point they knew what to look for.  Prior to that they didn't so might have simply ignored it.

How did they know?

Out of all the junk that was outside on the farm. How did they know instantly that this was the implement used to open the window.

[Reader]

Although Adam thinks the hacksaw blade was matched to scratches on the window, I've not seen evidence to back that up. Also, although Jeremy may well have got in via a window on previous occasions, I've not seen evidence that he admitted using the hacksaw blade at all. It would make more sense that he took a suitable implement with him (a hacksaw blade is not a particularly suitable instrument) rather than hoping that some hacksaw blade would still be around.

[Adam]

How did they know?

Out of all the junk that was outside on the farm. How did they know instantly that this was the implement used to open the window.

What is suspicious about it is -

It was found outside the bathroom window.

The marks on the window matched the hacksaw blade.

Jeremy had been getting in and out of WHF for years. Even Julie and the relatives knew of ways to get in and out of WHF.

The most plausible explanation is it was used just before the massacre night. To ensure a smooth and quiet entry.

[Adam]

It is possible it was used on the night and dumped.

But that is surely too risky and loud. Better to loosen beforehand.

[Patti]

What is suspicious about it is -

It was found outside the bathroom window.

The marks on the window matched the hacksaw blade.

Jeremy had been getting in and out of WHF for years. Even Julie and the relatives knew of ways to get in and out of WHF.

The most plausible explanation is it was used just before the massacre night. To ensure a smooth and quiet entry.

Yes Adam everybody knew how to get in so maybe everyone used the same hacksaw blade and those marks were from years ago....lol

[scipio_usmc]

How did they know?

Out of all the junk that was outside on the farm. How did they know instantly that this was the implement used to open the window.

At that point in time they were aware he used thin metal objects to open the lock and low and behold there is a thin metal object not far from the window...

Jeremy's defense team maintained the hacksaw blade could have been used anytime before or after the murders so was of no consequence.  If there burden were beyond  a reasonable doubt such argument could made a difference but not when they just had to prove there were ways for Jeremy to have gotten in and out not to prove which one he used beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Reader]

The window had been examined earlier without any marks being found. I gather the window had been painted not long before, so any marks would have been quite easy to spot.

[Patti]

Although Adam thinks the hacksaw blade was matched to scratches on the window, I've not seen evidence to back that up. Also, although Jeremy may well have got in via a window on previous occasions, I've not seen evidence that he admitted using the hacksaw blade at all. It would make more sense that he took a suitable implement with him (a hacksaw blade is not a particularly suitable instrument) rather than hoping that some hacksaw blade would still be around.

There might be something in the COA.  My dads hobby was turning wood. I remember as child using the hacksaw blade on balsa wood...If not used correctly the balde would bend quite easily. I can't see a blade of that nature forcefully lifting a catch, its more likely to break or bend.   I could be wrong I suppose. 

[Patti]

At that point in time they were aware he used thin metal objects to open the lock and low and behold there is a thin metal object not far from the window...

Jeremy's defense team maintained the hacksaw blade could have been used anytime before or after the murders so was of no consequence.  If there burden were beyond  a reasonable doubt such argument could made a difference but not when they just had to prove there were ways for Jeremy to have gotten in and out not to prove which one he used beyond a reasonable doubt.

How were they aware he had used it? Anybody could have used it prior to the tragedies. It was found leaning up against the wall, near the window he is supposed to have gained entry. So in theory you are saying that Jeremy used the hacksaw blade to gain entry then once he gained entry he then placed the blade up against the wall, then went back to climb through the window? It was also said that the blade was rusty, yet it bared similar marks to that found on the catch.  The same catch which taken on the 28th RWC/8 but the COA was told that it was Elliot that had found the catch on the 1st of October. Surely there is something not right with this evidence and that it deemed to be unsafe.  We also have the two extensive forensic examinations that revealed nothing....Are we saying that the forensic teams that were sent in, were hopeless, because they could not find any evidence to support the fact that anyone had gained entry trough the windows... Then convienently someone finds an hacksaw blade and says. "Aup this is what was used to get in the window" "And remarkably the blade matches the marks on the catch" 

[Reader]

Sash window catches usually need to be rotated to lock or unlock, which would be difficult to accomplish by use of a hacksaw blade, especially without leaving marks.

[scipio_usmc]

How were they aware he had used it? Anybody could have used it prior to the tragedies. It was found leaning up against the wall, near the window he is supposed to have gained entry. So in theory you are saying that Jeremy used the hacksaw blade to gain entry then once he gained entry he then placed the blade up against the wall, then went back to climb through the window? It was also said that the blade was rusty, yet it bared similar marks to that found on the catch.  The same catch which taken on the 28th RWC/8 but the COA was told that it was Elliot that had found the catch on the 1st of October. Surely there is something not right with this evidence and that it deemed to be unsafe.  We also have the two extensive forensic examinations that revealed nothing....Are we saying that the forensic teams that were sent in, were hopeless, because they could not find any evidence to support the fact that anyone had gained entry trough the windows... Then convienently someone finds an hacksaw blade and says. "Aup this is what was used to get in the window" "And remarkably the blade matches the marks on the catch" 

The Court of Appeals simply botched it and didn't realize that Elliott was examining the things in the lab that had been taken a few days earlier. Perhaps they did actually go to look at the sill and the court of Appeals didn't realize the catch was already taken to the lab earlier.

 

[Mr. Gee]

Not really.

If it was found near the window and marks on the window matched the hacksaw.

Jeremy could have been gaining access for years. The hacksaw was used for some fine tuning prior to the night.

The police found no marks on the window the day of the murders. The marks were found later. In any case it is just assuption on your part to state that the hacksaw was used by Jeremy on the night of the murders. The only reason that all these "theories" as that is all they are as to how Jeremy got into and/or out of the house is that you simply do not know and for the record neither does anybody else either, period.

[Mr. Gee]

Sash window catches usually need to be rotated to lock or unlock, which would be difficult to accomplish by use of a hacksaw blade, especially without leaving marks.

The window that Bamber was supposed to have got in was not a sash window. As Hartley went to the trouble of demonstrating, it was actually a window that opened outward and the catch was at the side. So all folk are doing in this thread is wasting their time fumbling around in the dark about something that cannot be verified.

[Patti]

The window that Bamber was supposed to have got in was not a sash window. As Hartley went to the trouble of demonstrating, it was actually a window that opened outward and the catch was at the side. So all folk are doing in this thread is wasting their time fumbling around in the dark about something that cannot be verified.

Hi Grahame

Hartley was mistaken. The documents relate to the widow as being a sash cord window...There is a photo of the bathroom window in the archives. 

[Mr. Gee]

Hi Grahame

Hartley was mistaken. The documents relate to the widow as being a sash cord window...There is a photo of the bathroom window in the archives. 

No way could a sash window be self locking neither can the catch can fall to make it look locked. They must be referring to another window and not the one that Bamber was supposed to have accessed?