Undisputed facts

[Kaldin]

Well perhaps because she was placed in that position by her killer to give the impression that she committed suicide?

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The only people who moved Sheila's body were the police...

So says you.

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So says the evidence...

There is no evidence - it's just your opinion. The only evidence is that the police moved her hand and the gun slightly, and we've known about that for ages.

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There is no evidence that the police did not move Sheila's body, it is only your opinion, and speculation...

Well that's just silly. You can't prove a negative, and anyway the police don't have to produce evidence that they didn't move the body because it's just an accusation with no basis to it.

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Stop being stupid - if thats the best you can do by keep saying there is no evidence and its speculation, theres not much hope for you...

It's you who's being stupid. You claim the police moved the body and say that's evidence because there's no evidence to prove they didn't. That's just ridiculous - your worst post yet.

[Kaldin]

It's like saying there's no evidence that unicorns don't exist. 

[tonyb]

they don't?

[Kaldin]

they don't?

I can't prove they don't. 

[mike tesko]

Well perhaps because she was placed in that position by her killer to give the impression that she committed suicide?

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The only people who moved Sheila's body were the police...

So says you.

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So says the evidence...

There is no evidence - it's just your opinion. The only evidence is that the police moved her hand and the gun slightly, and we've known about that for ages.

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There is no evidence that the police did not move Sheila's body, it is only your opinion, and speculation...

Well that's just silly. You can't prove a negative, and anyway the police don't have to produce evidence that they didn't move the body because it's just an accusation with no basis to it.

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Stop being stupid - if thats the best you can do by keep saying there is no evidence and its speculation, theres not much hope for you...

It's you who's being stupid. You claim the police moved the body and say that's evidence because there's no evidence to prove they didn't. That's just ridiculous - your worst post yet.

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You don't know what you are talking about, the police moved the body and there is evidence that they did - it will be treated as evidence when the matter eventually comes to court, in the same way that all the prosecutions nonsensical evidence was treated as evidence at the time of the trial and the last appeal. You can't decide what is and what is not evidence, evidence is material and information that one party to any criminal proceedings chooses to rely upon...

You can' t make it so that such material is not evidence just because it is convenient to do so...

You think that if you keep saying there is no evidence that it makes it so that it is not evidence, its a pathetic approach...

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Look we know the police moved Sheila's body because THEY SAID THEY DID so why keep arguing about it.
There seems to be a lot of chasing tails on this forum these days and it is getting tedious.

[mike tesko]

Nothing anyone says is evidence, or becomes evidence, until it is presented at court to support arguments made by one party or another - you can say all you want and you can say it as many times as you want, but there is more evidence to prove that the police tampered with the crime scene, and that they moved the bodies and planted the rifle on Sheila, and that they interfered with the crime scene ammunition, and everything else they are responsible for doing, than there is or ever could be, to show that JB killed anyone, or that he could have stage managed the scene, as alleged...

The evidence used to support the prosecution of JB is fundamentally flawed and the silencer / blood / paint evidence should not have been used to convict him...

[Kaldin]

Look we know the police moved Sheila's body because THEY SAID THEY DID so why keep arguing about it.
There seems to be a lot of chasing tails on this forum these days and it is getting tedious.

I agree. No wonder some people delete themselves. Round and round it goes with no evidence, just speculation and cherry picking to suit some new weird theory.

[mike tesko]

Look we know the police moved Sheila's body because THEY SAID THEY DID so why keep arguing about it.
There seems to be a lot of chasing tails on this forum these days and it is getting tedious.

I agree. No wonder some people delete themselves. Round and round it goes with no evidence, just speculation and cherry picking to suit some new weird theory.

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Yes, I agree that the prosecutions theories are and were weird...

They convicted JB on speculation and theories - but it will be their undoing...

[Kaldin]

Look we know the police moved Sheila's body because THEY SAID THEY DID so why keep arguing about it.
There seems to be a lot of chasing tails on this forum these days and it is getting tedious.

I agree. No wonder some people delete themselves. Round and round it goes with no evidence, just speculation and cherry picking to suit some new weird theory.

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Yes, I agree that the prosecutions theories are and were weird...

They convicted JB on speculation and theories - but it will be their undoing...

No, the jury convicted Jeremy Bamber ...

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Look we know the police moved Sheila's body because THEY SAID THEY DID so why keep arguing about it.
There seems to be a lot of chasing tails on this forum these days and it is getting tedious.

I agree. No wonder some people delete themselves. Round and round it goes with no evidence, just speculation and cherry picking to suit some new weird theory.

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Yes, I agree that the prosecutions theories are and were weird...

They convicted JB on speculation and theories - but it will be their undoing...

Christ Mike! You should seriously consider applying  for the Bar. You seem to have the knack of reading what we have said but interprating it as something entirely different.

[chelmsey]

Nothing anyone says is evidence, or becomes evidence, until it is presented at court to support arguments made by one party or another - you can say all you want and you can say it as many times as you want, but there is more evidence to prove that the police tampered with the crime scene, and that they moved the bodies and planted the rifle on Sheila, and that they interfered with the crime scene ammunition, and everything else they are responsible for doing, than there is or ever could be, to show that JB killed anyone, or that he could have stage managed the scene, as alleged...

The evidence used to support the prosecution of JB is fundamentally flawed and the silencer / blood / paint evidence should not have been used to convict him...

I agree with all of this. However,I thought that the photos of Sheila had already been put to the appeal court and that they decided to believe the police that they had not moved Sheilas body and therefore the photos were irrelevant?Obviously I clearly got that wrong   

[mike tesko]

Look we know the police moved Sheila's body because THEY SAID THEY DID so why keep arguing about it.
There seems to be a lot of chasing tails on this forum these days and it is getting tedious.

I agree. No wonder some people delete themselves. Round and round it goes with no evidence, just speculation and cherry picking to suit some new weird theory.

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Yes, I agree that the prosecutions theories are and were weird...

They convicted JB on speculation and theories - but it will be their undoing...

No, the jury convicted Jeremy Bamber ...

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They convicted him, based upon lies, false evidence and fabricated truths...

I doubt that the same jury would have convicted him today, if the prosecution led with the same evidence, and all the new material which has been gleaned over the past 25 years was presented to cast doubt on crucial; features of the prosecution case...

The silencer evidence would be out, along with the blood evidence and the paint evidence - there would not be anything credible upon which the prosecution could hope to achieve a conviction for these murders...

One thing is certain and that is that JB did not receive a fair trial, and at the end of the day, be it as a result of this application to the CCRC or the next one, if there has to be another application, and one day these convictions will be overturned...

It wouldn't even get to court...

[tonyb]

well said Kladin... now about these Unicorns.when I was a little boy someone read me a story about Unicorns. so therefore they must exist and i think your stupid if you think otherwise.....

[Paul]

Nothing anyone says is evidence, or becomes evidence, until it is presented at court to support arguments made by one party or another - you can say all you want and you can say it as many times as you want, but there is more evidence to prove that the police tampered with the crime scene, and that they moved the bodies and planted the rifle on Sheila, and that they interfered with the crime scene ammunition, and everything else they are responsible for doing, than there is or ever could be, to show that JB killed anyone, or that he could have stage managed the scene, as alleged...

The evidence used to support the prosecution of JB is fundamentally flawed and the silencer / blood / paint evidence should not have been used to convict him...

I agree with all of this. However,I thought that the photos of Sheila had already been put to the appeal court and that they decided to believe the police that they had not moved Sheilas body and therefore the photos were irrelevant?Obviously I clearly got that wrong   

No, not to the Appeal Court but they were submitted to the CCRC. The CCRC has not made a comment about the pictures. However, Bamber says that the CCRC said that contemporary evidence from the officers was stronger than the photographic evidence.