The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.

[susan]

Morning girls

yes that is how I see it if he had any serious concerns that Sheila would use the rifle he would have been over to WHF at speed not phoned Julie wasting time.

[lookout]

Maybe so, but was that any excuse for diddling around making spurious calls. If he wasn't worried that she'd use the gun, he could at least have got himself over there to check it out.

I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.

There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth.
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.

[lookout]

I've studied lots of people,April,and one person wouldn't do what another would do. You must realise that yourself. We're ALL different,whatever the circumstances which prevail. Thank God.

Imagine another one of me. I'd shake it by the neck.

[lookout]

My fight or flight mechanism is knackered now.

[Jane]

I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.

There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth.
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.

In which case, Lookout, and believe me, it PAINS me hugely to repeat ANYTHING that Adam has suggested, but as Neville would have known better than anyone what were Jeremy's tendencies, WHY, in God's name did he phone him?

I would argue that Jeremy wasn't quite the sloth you make him out to be. He was FAR to Jeremy aware. His whole attitude was "Me first" and "I am here, look at me" which are in no way slothful.

[Jane]

I've studied lots of people,April,and one person wouldn't do what another would do. You must realise that yourself. We're ALL different,whatever the circumstances which prevail. Thank God.

Imagine another one of me. I'd shake it by the neck.

I agree entirely, Lookout, but I no longer have the same burning need as you for Jeremy to be innocent.

[lookout]

In which case, Lookout, and believe me, it PAINS me hugely to repeat ANYTHING that Adam has suggested, but as Neville would have known better than anyone what were Jeremy's tendencies, WHY, in God's name did he phone him?

I would argue that Jeremy wasn't quite the sloth you make him out to be. He was FAR to Jeremy aware. His whole attitude was "Me first" and "I am here, look at me" which are in no way slothful.

Yes,he was a " me first,and a look at me " character,so all the more reason why he had NO consideration for others,so wouldn't exactly fall over himself to help anyone either,hence the dilatory attitude after his father had rang,with him thinking " not one of Sheilas' do's again ".

[Jane]

Yes,he was a " me first,and a look at me " character,so all the more reason why he had NO consideration for others,so wouldn't exactly fall over himself to help anyone either,hence the dilatory attitude after his father had rang,with him thinking " not one of Sheilas' do's again ".

So, probably having had the experience on several occasions of asking Jeremy to do something only to find the job hadn't been done, WHY, in an emergency, would Neville call him?

[Adam]

I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.

There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth.
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.

Why would he answer the phone if he was so lazy ?

The phone call was a wrong number or prank call. No one is going to ring him at 3.10am about the farm. He would not care anyway. It was not his farm.

If he was not bothered about Sheila perhaps having a episode, he would not want to get involved. Neville and June invited Sheila over. It was their problem.

I do not believe Sheila had gone crazy with a gun before . So why would Jeremy suspect she had ? Therefore why would he bother to answer ?

[lookout]

So, probably having had the experience on several occasions of asking Jeremy to do something only to find the job hadn't been done, WHY, in an emergency, would Neville call him?

Who else would Neville have rang,thinking that the " episode " of Sheilas' might have been contained ?
Before finally" possibly" ringing the police. Even Neville was loathed to involve anyone else,which Jeremy would have picked up on,so naturally he'd have been in a quandary,although possibly knowing that his father would realise that at some point,Jeremy would phone the police.

I have a very good idea how the minds of some people work,particularly when you've had experience,not of murders,but of privacy in family circles,as I have when you never request help from anyone.

[Mr. Gee]

Well the way I see it is that some treat their "opinions" as truth and not just opinions? They never prefix their opinion with "possibly" or " I believe" or "perhaps". ut rather with "he would have done this" or "Jeremy knew" or "Ralph would have done this or that" etc. But that's just my opinion?

[Caroline]

I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.

There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth.
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.

This is not the impression I have of Jeremy - in fact it's quite a long way off Lookout. Why don't you try writing to him? I'm sure you would be surprised if this is how you think he is.

[Adam]

Who else would Neville have rang,thinking that the " episode " of Sheilas' might have been contained ?
Before finally" possibly" ringing the police. Even Neville was loathed to involve anyone else,which Jeremy would have picked up on,so naturally he'd have been in a quandary,although possibly knowing that his father would realise that at some point,Jeremy would phone the police.

I have a very good idea how the minds of some people work,particularly when you've had experience,not of murders,but of privacy in family circles,as I have when you never request help from anyone.

Who else would he ring ?

The folkes's, other farm workers, other relatives, the police. Or tackle Sheila himself.

Ringing Jeremy was really not an option.

[Jane]

Who else would Neville have rang,thinking that the " episode " of Sheilas' might have been contained ?
Before finally" possibly" ringing the police. Even Neville was loathed to involve anyone else,which Jeremy would have picked up on,so naturally he'd have been in a quandary,although possibly knowing that his father would realise that at some point,Jeremy would phone the police.

I have a very good idea how the minds of some people work,particularly when you've had experience,not of murders,but of privacy in family circles,as I have when you never request help from anyone.

But if Jeremy is the person you believe him to be, there would have been no guarantees that he'd have stirred himself to answer the phone and this is something that Nevill would have known. I know all about secrets in families, Lookout. I was forced to live other peoples.

[Jane]

Well the way I see it is that some treat their "opinions" as truth and not just opinions? They never prefix their opinion with "possibly" or " I believe" or "perhaps". ut rather with "he would have done this" or "Jeremy knew" or "Ralph would have done this or that" etc. But that's just my opinion?

HOPE you're not including me in that one Grahame  I don't think there any room in MOST of my posts for any more MAYBE's, POSSIBLY's, PERHAPS's, MIGHT HAVE's, IMO's.................IMO :D :D :D