The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.

[Adam]

Jeremy could have phoned any of the nearby relatives at 3am. Or BW, or the Folkes's who lived at WHF. Or any of the other farm workers. They could have met him on site.

He had a good relationship with all of them at the time. The relatives later coming to the conclusion Sheila was not capable of committing the massacre.

Instead he phoned Julie. Simply saying 'Everything is going well. There is something wrong at the farm. I haven't slept all night. Love you lots'. Julie in Lewisham was harmless. But she needed to be with him and kept an eye on. Soon.

When asked why he didn't phone anyone else he simply said 'It did not occur to him'.

The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.

The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.

[lookout]

 And I believe him when he said that " it didn't occur to him " to have phoned others.

[guest154]

The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.

The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.

That's a good point actually, Adam.

[Adam]

That's a good point actually, Adam.

Thanks.

Julie needed to be with him as soon as possible. She was the only one who knew about his rants.

This explains him using his one 10p to make the 5am phone call to her. And a police car picking her up.  He needed to be with her while she spoke to the police.


The relatives were not so important, but he would have to meet, greet and cry to them later that day.

From 3.48am - 9am, Jeremy needed to be the focus of attention.

[Caroline]

That's a good point actually, Adam.

I agree, I suppose if it were me, I'd have called someone living in the farm cottages to go check it out and see if things looked OK?

[lookout]

I agree, I suppose if it were me, I'd have called someone living in the farm cottages to go check it out and see if things looked OK?

Well he didn't,so that's that.

[Caroline]

Well he didn't,so that's that.

No he didn't and that's the point! 

[lookout]

Hahahahaha >>>>>>getting hysterics.

[Jan]

Jeremy could have phoned any of the nearby relatives at 3am. Or BW, or the Folkes's who lived at WHF. Or any of the other farm workers. They could have met him on site.

He had a good relationship with all of them at the time. The relatives later coming to the conclusion Sheila was not capable of committing the massacre.

Instead he phoned Julie. Simply saying 'Everything is going well. There is something wrong at the farm. I haven't slept all night. Love you lots'. Julie in Lewisham was harmless. But she needed to be with him and kept an eye on. Soon.



So why did he not tell the police she had fired some shots then. He could have easily said that. But instead he did not sound upset until the police took their time? So I the beginning he was not creating a siege situation . He was saying she had got a gun and was going crazy. For all they knew when they got there Neville may have talked her down as he had done before.

When asked why he didn't phone anyone else he simply said 'It did not occur to him'.

The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.

The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.

[Caroline]

Hahahahaha >>>>>>getting hysterics.

I'm here all week! 

[scipio_usmc]

And I believe him when he said that " it didn't occur to him " to have phoned others.

That is because you are way too biased to rationally approach any issue in this case.  You even suggest that if indeed Sheila didn't kill herself then one of the parents killed her and committed suicide.  Is there any evdence at all to suggest such?  No but you will blame anyone than Jeremy because your irrational bias in his favor.

You admitted it makes no sense for Nevill to have called police and suggested it didn't happen until it was explained how helpful it woudl be to Jeremy if Nevill had called so then you changed your mind and decided just because it helps Jeremy that Nevill clale dpolice though there is no evidence he called and by your own admission it woudl make no sense.

You constantly ignore things that Jeremy did that make no sense just because you don't want to face his guilt.  So it is totally expected you would say you believe him anyway but that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether his claims are actually objectively credible.

What you choose to believe has no bearing on the actual facts.

[Adam]

That is because you are way too biased to rationally approach any issue in this case.  You even suggest that if indeed Sheila didn't kill herself then one of the parents killed her and committed suicide.  Is there any evdence at all to suggest such?  No but you will blame anyone than Jeremy because your irrational bias in his favor.

You admitted it makes no sense for Nevill to have called police and suggested it didn't happen until it was explained how helpful it woudl be to Jeremy if Nevill had called so then you changed your mind and decided just because it helps Jeremy that Nevill clale dpolice though there is no evidence he called and by your own admission it woudl make no sense.

You constantly ignore things that Jeremy did that make no sense just because you don't want to face his guilt.  So it is totally expected you would say you believe him anyway but that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether his claims are actually objectively credible.

What you choose to believe has no bearing on the actual facts.

How could June commit suicide. And kill everyone. Then leave the gun on Sheila ?

I thought Neville had rang Jeremy about Sheila ?

[guest154]

How could June commit suicide. And kill everyone. Then leave the gun on Sheila ?

She obviously couldn't. Junes injuries certainly aren't suicdie injuries. I've never understood the logic behind any claims June killed her family and then committed suicide - because there is no logic. you only have to look at the abuse the Mccanns recieve via the internet to know that sadly people post rubbish online seemingly not realising that they are talking about real people - I'm sure the Bamber relatives see people who abuse them online and post lies about their family members living and dead as just as much a troll as the people who abuse the Mccanns.

I thought Neville had rang Jeremy about Sheila ?

This fact is ignored when one tries to pin the blame on an innocent June.

[lookout]

That is because you are way too biased to rationally approach any issue in this case.  You even suggest that if indeed Sheila didn't kill herself then one of the parents killed her and committed suicide.  Is there any evdence at all to suggest such?  No but you will blame anyone than Jeremy because your irrational bias in his favor.

You admitted it makes no sense for Nevill to have called police and suggested it didn't happen until it was explained how helpful it woudl be to Jeremy if Nevill had called so then you changed your mind and decided just because it helps Jeremy that Nevill clale dpolice though there is no evidence he called and by your own admission it woudl make no sense.

You constantly ignore things that Jeremy did that make no sense just because you don't want to face his guilt.  So it is totally expected you would say you believe him anyway but that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether his claims are actually objectively credible.

What you choose to believe has no bearing on the actual facts.

What I think is my business and NOT for YOU to tell me otherwise !
What makes you think that YOUR facts are right ? The only way of knowing that is if you yourself committed the murders,plonker. Not even EP have got it right.

[Adam]

She obviously couldn't. Junes injuries certainly aren't suicdie injuries. I've never understood the logic behind any claims June killed her family and then committed suicide - because there is no logic. you only have to look at the abuse the Mccanns recieve via the internet to know that sadly people post rubbish online seemingly not realising that they are talking about real people - I'm sure the Bamber relatives see people who abuse them online and post lies about their family members living and dead as just as much a troll as the people who abuse the Mccanns.

This fact is ignored when one tries to pin the blame on an innocent June.

June was shot with her head on the pillow. So was almost certainly asleep when shot.

By coincidence, Neville was also shot in/by the bed. Right next to June. Before running downstairs.