A night of 'mysterious' phone calls and alleged phone calls:

[lookout]

Oh he was scared alright, bloody terrified actually.  Wouldn't you be knowing what you had just done and what the possible consequences might be?  No wonder he went off and puked after the adrenalin had worn off.

It takes a certain type of guy to shoot two sleeping children in the head and face.

DB once shot someone in the face in a shooting incident while on a shoot. Actually in the eye.
Strange how that never came out. No wonder Neville turned his back at shoots,eh ?

[Jan]

What other people? In regard to his arrival at WHF, Ps Bews and Pc Myall used identical wording to state that he did not appear dishevelled in any way and did not appear to be emotionally excited.

I can not comprehend how he could have thought it was a good plan to stand next to the police outside the house when he would have had no idea how he would have reacted to killing 5 people. The phone call was obviously not an alibi as it could not be proved. He had no idea how much blood or GRS would have been on him or how much he would have had to clean up.

Unless the police were totally stupid then it would have been obvious he was a man who had just killed 5 people , rushed to get rid of all the evidence and cleaned himself up. Let alone the fact that he would have been totally panicking about the fact he had to shoot Sheila twice.

His reactions were totally in line with someone who thought he was possibly going to a scenario that was going to be tricky to sort out - but as the night unfolded and he was begging the police to go in and save his family the realisation of the situation began to sink in.

[Mr. Gee]

What other people? In regard to his arrival at WHF, Ps Bews and Pc Myall used identical wording to state that he did not appear dishevelled in any way and did not appear to be emotionally excited.

Hi Reader. When witnesses use identical wording in my limited experience it usually indicates collusion.

[Adam]

I can not comprehend how he could have thought it was a good plan to stand next to the police outside the house when he would have had no idea how he would have reacted to killing 5 people. The phone call was obviously not an alibi as it could not be proved. He had no idea how much blood or GRS would have been on him or how much he would have had to clean up.

Unless the police were totally stupid then it would have been obvious he was a man who had just killed 5 people , rushed to get rid of all the evidence and cleaned himself up. Let alone the fact that he would have been totally panicking about the fact he had to shoot Sheila twice.

His reactions were totally in line with someone who thought he was possibly going to a scenario that was going to be tricky to sort out - but as the night unfolded and he was begging the police to go in and save his family the realisation of the situation began to sink in.

Have you got a source that he was 'begging' the police to go in.

Thought he was sat in a police car talking about 2 grand kit cars. Or using his 10p to tell Julie ' a police car is coming to pick you up'.

[scipio_usmc]

I can not comprehend how he could have thought it was a good plan to stand next to the police outside the house when he would have had no idea how he would have reacted to killing 5 people. The phone call was obviously not an alibi as it could not be proved. He had no idea how much blood or GRS would have been on him or how much he would have had to clean up.

Unless the police were totally stupid then it would have been obvious he was a man who had just killed 5 people , rushed to get rid of all the evidence and cleaned himself up. Let alone the fact that he would have been totally panicking about the fact he had to shoot Sheila twice.

His reactions were totally in line with someone who thought he was possibly going to a scenario that was going to be tricky to sort out - but as the night unfolded and he was begging the police to go in and save his family the realisation of the situation began to sink in.

Far form begging police to go in he lied to them and made them scared to enter.

Everything he did was out of character looking back at it. Eveyrhting he did was contrived or made up from the claim he took a gun out to shoot rabbits and left it out to the bullets he claimed he left with the gun that he obviously staged.

He clearly thought he was good enough to get away with it and fooled police initially but the processing of the evidence revealed he lied and was repsonsible.  Unfortunately for him it is not just up to police on the scene to decide what happened.

[Mr. Gee]

Far form begging police to go in he lied to them and made them scared to enter.

Everything he did was out of character looking back at it. Eveyrhting he did was contrived or made up from the claim he took a gun out to shoot rabbits and left it out to the bullets he claimed he left with the gun that he obviously staged.

He clearly thought he was good enough to get away with it and fooled police initially but the processing of the evidence revealed he lied and was repsonsible.  Unfortunately for him it is not just up to police on the scene to decide what happened.

All pure assumption I'm afraid. That is just the interpretation you choose to put on his actions.

[lookout]

Far form begging police to go in he lied to them and made them scared to enter.

Everything he did was out of character looking back at it. Eveyrhting he did was contrived or made up from the claim he took a gun out to shoot rabbits and left it out to the bullets he claimed he left with the gun that he obviously staged.

He clearly thought he was good enough to get away with it and fooled police initially but the processing of the evidence revealed he lied and was repsonsible.  Unfortunately for him it is not just up to police on the scene to decide what happened.

The people who acted out of character were Jeremys' relatives.
Fine upstanding pillars of the community ?? Yeah-----------until you take a look at THEIR backgrounds !!
So how about leaving Jeremy alone for once--------he's still where YOU want him to be,so what more do you want ?

[Jan]

Far form begging police to go in he lied to them and made them scared to enter.

Everything he did was out of character looking back at it. Eveyrhting he did was contrived or made up from the claim he took a gun out to shoot rabbits and left it out to the bullets he claimed he left with the gun that he obviously staged.

He clearly thought he was good enough to get away with it and fooled police initially but the processing of the evidence revealed he lied and was repsonsible.  Unfortunately for him it is not just up to police on the scene to decide what happened.

Initially he never even told them a shot had been fired - they were a group of very experienced officers who had armed support - against what was apparently a slip of a girl who had never fired a gun in anger against another human being. There was apparently according to you - no movement - no sound whatsoever and no warning shots no threats .They did not even know ANY shots had been fired. I think you are severely overestimating the affect Jeremy could have on EP. Don't forget that he also denied some of the comments that in Sept a month after the crime were attributed to him. If you look at the notebooks a lot of the comments that he apparently made are not there.

[Adam]

Initially he never even told them a shot had been fired - they were a group of very experienced officers who had armed support - against what was apparently a slip of a girl who had never fired a gun in anger against another human being. There was apparently according to you - no movement - no sound whatsoever and no warning shots no threats .They did not even know ANY shots had been fired. I think you are severely overestimating the affect Jeremy could have on EP. Don't forget that he also denied some of the comments that in Sept a month after the crime were attributed to him. If you look at the notebooks a lot of the comments that he apparently made are not there.

Jeremy told the police Sheila knew how to handle guns.

And that Neville had said she had gone 'crazy'.

[Jan]

Jeremy told the police Sheila knew how to handle guns.

And that Neville had said she had gone 'crazy'.

I re-iterate he never said a shot had been fired and if you read the statement that Mike posted the original officers did not seen too concerned they were just trying to make contact with Sheila.

Going crazy with the gun could have just meant running about and waving it about.

[Mr. Gee]

I re-iterate he never said a shot had been fired and if you read the statement that Mike posted the original officers did not seen too concerned they were just trying to make contact with Sheila.

Going crazy with the gun could have just meant running about and waving it about.

The statement that one of the relatives made saying that they had never seen Sheila with a gun as DB admitted that she had been to Scotland with a shooting party. I bet you that there are pictures of her holding a gun somewhere in the family photo album?

[Jan]

I think Jeremy did say in his later statements that he believed Sheila had also been out shooting with his father , but I guess there was no-one to verify that unless she had been seen by farmworkers.

[scipio_usmc]

Initially he never even told them a shot had been fired - they were a group of very experienced officers who had armed support - against what was apparently a slip of a girl who had never fired a gun in anger against another human being. There was apparently according to you - no movement - no sound whatsoever and no warning shots no threats .They did not even know ANY shots had been fired. I think you are severely overestimating the affect Jeremy could have on EP. Don't forget that he also denied some of the comments that in Sept a month after the crime were attributed to him. If you look at the notebooks a lot of the comments that he apparently made are not there.

1) they were unarmed. The lies he told about her having an arsenal at her disposal and knowing how to use all such weapons resulted in them calling for armed support.  He also told them she was nuts not bothering to say she was currently being successfully medicated. His statements mad ethem scared to do anything themselves and instead to called for armed support who treated it as a hostage situation because of his lies.

2) the simple fact he lied about such shows he was trying to deceive the officers.  Why did he lie?  he lied because he wanted them to believe she was capable of using the guns so they would beleive she did it when the bodies were found. It doesn't amtter whether it fooled police or not the fact he lied to frame her is what is so significant.

[Reader]

Lying and trying to deceive are much the same thing. If he's innocent and wasn't trying to deceive, what is your proof that he lied? How does omitting some details about Sheila prove that they were omitted with the deliberate intention of deceiving the police?

[Mr. Gee]

1) they were unarmed. The lies he told about her having an arsenal at her disposal and knowing how to use all such weapons resulted in them calling for armed support.  He also told them she was nuts not bothering to say she was currently being successfully medicated. His statements mad ethem scared to do anything themselves and instead to called for armed support who treated it as a hostage situation because of his lies.

2) the simple fact he lied about such shows he was trying to deceive the officers.  Why did he lie?  he lied because he wanted them to believe she was capable of using the guns so they would beleive she did it when the bodies were found. It doesn't amtter whether it fooled police or not the fact he lied to frame her is what is so significant.

I believe that according to the telephone log they already knew that. They called the armed unit as soon as Bewes saw the "trick of light" in the window, not before.