Conversation about fostering. Did this take place ?

[lookout]

 Oh gosh no,Susan. I refuse nothing only blows.

[Adam]

Adam just in the middle of reading Colin Caffells book and he tells a different tale to Jeremy Bamber.  Firstly he states that in no way would Ralph Bamber leave a loaded rifle around especially when children were in the house and had Jeremy left the rifle loaded he would have moved it.  Secondly he states had Sheila shot herself she would not have done it in June's bedroom as she hated June (rather a strong word but his not mine) she would have done it in the twins room as she did love them. Jeremy admitted to him that he was mad and full of evil thoughts and he just could not help it.  Was Jeremy saying this for effect or did he believe it to be true. Some of the letters he sent to Colin were pure evil in my eyes and meant to hurt deeply. I am aware this is Colin's perception of Jeremy Bamber but guess Colin knew Sheila and Jeremy as well as anyone.  He also got the impression Sheila was frightened of Jeremy.

Thank you. I did not know Colin thought that. He is the only surviving relative that really knew Sheila. He also knew the other relatives well.

Are Jeremy's letters published in the book ?

[tyler]

I believe the conversation took place,its just that no-one can know WHEN it took place. I think the problem is,is that some are confusing 'foster carer' with 'child minder'. The twins had previously been cared for by 'day fosterers'. What are 'day fosterers' if not child minders?  June had used them for her own children when they were young and there is a statement somewhere where it is stated that June had been enquiring around the village that week for childminders. Also,Jean B has since admitted that childcare had been being discussed that week. Colin did not have formal custody of the children. Maybe June and Nevill were thinking long term, that if they could relocate Sheila back to Essex,then childcare would be needed for the children at weekends when the twins visited Sheila,and I would imagine they were aiming for Sheila to get better and have the twins returned to her full time. Children need their mothers,and Colin neeed to work. Once Sheila became ill,it has been said that June would not leave Sheila alone with the twins.And between running various farms,a caravan park,church and charity work,caring for sick relatives etc,it just would not have been possible for June,at 61 years to care for two lively six year olds. Attempting to make plans for Sheila and the boys which would have no doubt brought about changes for everyone could have unnerved either Sheila or Jeremy or both,which may have had a bearing on the murders. So I dont really see how conversations about foster caring/childminding could be proof for either Jeremy or Sheila's guilt/innocence. Imo.

[Jane]

lookout you could be right I am just reading what Colin has said Jeremy dyed his hair different shades just to annoy June.  I think it would be to shock other than annoy.  If you get the book you can draw your own conclusions they may be different than the way I see it.

If Jeremy's behaviours were played out just to get a reaction from June, it shows a strong emotional attachment to her. If he hadn't cared about how she felt, why would he have bothered?

[Adam]

I believe the conversation took place,its just that no-one can know WHEN it took place. I think the problem is,is that some are confusing 'foster carer' with 'child minder'. The twins had previously been cared for by 'day fosterers'. What are 'day fosterers' if not child minders?  June had used them for her own children when they were young and there is a statement somewhere where it is stated that June had been enquiring around the village that week for childminders. Also,Jean B has since admitted that childcare had been being discussed that week. Colin did not have formal custody of the children. Maybe June and Nevill were thinking long term, that if they could relocate Sheila back to Essex,then childcare would be needed for the children at weekends when the twins visited Sheila,and I would imagine they were aiming for Sheila to get better and have the twins returned to her full time. Children need their mothers,and Colin neeed to work. Once Sheila became ill,it has been said that June would not leave Sheila alone with the twins.And between running various farms,a caravan park,church and charity work,caring for sick relatives etc,it just would not have been possible for June,at 61 years to care for two lively six year olds. Attempting to make plans for Sheila and the boys which would have no doubt brought about changes for everyone could have unnerved either Sheila or Jeremy or both,which may have had a bearing on the murders. So I dont really see how conversations about foster caring/childminding could be proof for either Jeremy or Sheila's guilt/innocence. Imo.

Why would childcare be needed if the twins were visiting Sheila at the weekends ? Thought she would be with them 24/7. Otherwise what is the point in them visiting her.

How could June 'not leave Sheila alone with the twins'. Sheila lived in London.

[tyler]

If Jeremy's behaviours were played out just to get a reaction from June, it shows a strong emotional attachment to her. If he hadn't cared about how she felt, why would he have bothered?

Is it possible that he wanted attention from her?

[tyler]

Why would childcare be needed if the twins were visiting Sheila at the weekends ? Thought she would be with them 24/7. Otherwise what is the point in them visiting her.

How could June 'not leave Sheila alone with the twins'. Sheila lived in London.

Obviously June had her reasons for not wanting to leave Sheila alone with the twins whilst at the farm. We can only speculate as to why. Jeremy has said that she was prone to physically abusing them. June told Pam that Sheila wasnt showing any interest in them and obviously children have needs. June wouldnt have been available to be on hand for them 24/7. In London,Sheila only had the twins at weekends. June would have no control over that situation. Perhaps this was another reason she would have liked for her to relocate to Essex. Something that Jeremy says Sheila did not want to do,and I believe that.

[Adam]

Obviously June had her reasons for not wanting to leave Sheila alone with the twins whilst at the farm. We can only speculate as to why. Jeremy has said that she was prone to physically abusing them. June told Pam that Sheila wasnt showing any interest in them and obviously children have needs. June wouldnt have been available to be on hand for them 24/7. In London,Sheila only had the twins at weekends. June would have no control over that situation. Perhaps this was another reason she would have liked for her to relocate to Essex. Something that Jeremy says Sheila did not want to do,and I believe that.

Do you have sources for all this ?

Jeremy said Sheila hit the twins once I believe in his WS. I was hit enough times by both parents when 6 years old & naughty.

[lookout]

Sheila had been adamant that she stayed in London. No way would she have moved to Essex,or there'd have been another battle.
Too many decisions had been made regarding Sheila,that she must have wondered at having had a mind of her own sometimes. Junes' control over her was morbid. Psychological abuse,nothing less !

[tyler]

Do you have sources for all this ?

Jeremy said Sheila hit the twins once I believe in his WS. I was hit enough times by both parents when 6 years old & naughty.

Sources? Yes,read all of the statements like everyone else has to.

[Patti]

I believe the conversation took place,its just that no-one can know WHEN it took place. I think the problem is,is that some are confusing 'foster carer' with 'child minder'. The twins had previously been cared for by 'day fosterers'. What are 'day fosterers' if not child minders?  June had used them for her own children when they were young and there is a statement somewhere where it is stated that June had been enquiring around the village that week for childminders. Also,Jean B has since admitted that childcare had been being discussed that week. Colin did not have formal custody of the children. Maybe June and Nevill were thinking long term, that if they could relocate Sheila back to Essex,then childcare would be needed for the children at weekends when the twins visited Sheila,and I would imagine they were aiming for Sheila to get better and have the twins returned to her full time. Children need their mothers,and Colin neeed to work. Once Sheila became ill,it has been said that June would not leave Sheila alone with the twins.And between running various farms,a caravan park,church and charity work,caring for sick relatives etc,it just would not have been possible for June,at 61 years to care for two lively six year olds. Attempting to make plans for Sheila and the boys which would have no doubt brought about changes for everyone could have unnerved either Sheila or Jeremy or both,which may have had a bearing on the murders. So I dont really see how conversations about foster caring/childminding could be proof for either Jeremy or Sheila's guilt/innocence. Imo.

Well said Tyler

There is of course a statement from Colin's mother in the archives relating to child care.  I will go look for it,. 

[Adam]

Sources? Yes,read all of the statements like everyone else has to.

Thank you.

I have thanks. But have never read any of the numerous claims you made in you're posts in this thread.

The other people who never provided sources - Lookout and Grahame. They didn't have them.

[Adam]

Obviously June had her reasons for not wanting to leave Sheila alone with the twins whilst at the farm. We can only speculate as to why. Jeremy has said that she was prone to physically abusing them. June told Pam that Sheila wasnt showing any interest in them and obviously children have needs. June wouldnt have been available to be on hand for them 24/7. In London,Sheila only had the twins at weekends. June would have no control over that situation. Perhaps this was another reason she would have liked for her to relocate to Essex. Something that Jeremy says Sheila did not want to do,and I believe that.

June did not want to leave Sheila alone with the twins. Source please.

[Adam]

Obviously June had her reasons for not wanting to leave Sheila alone with the twins whilst at the farm. We can only speculate as to why. Jeremy has said that she was prone to physically abusing them. June told Pam that Sheila wasnt showing any interest in them and obviously children have needs. June wouldnt have been available to be on hand for them 24/7. In London,Sheila only had the twins at weekends. June would have no control over that situation. Perhaps this was another reason she would have liked for her to relocate to Essex. Something that Jeremy says Sheila did not want to do,and I believe that.

Jeremy said Sheila physically abused the twins. Source please.

[Patti]

This confirms that June had spoken about fostering/child care.