Jeremy Just An Ordinary Boy

[Alias]

The claim that Nevill phoned police is indeed objectively absurd.  That is why not one of those who voted to suggest it occurred could present any sound reasoning for their vote.  The legal team did not run with such claim because they know it was absurd and baseless.

The campaign website on the subject contains numerous falsehoods including starting out with the bogus claim that Jeremy has always asserted Nevill phoned police after phoning him.  Jeremy's claims prior to and at trial were that Nevill was too private to call police and thus instead turned to him. 

When all the dishonest nonsense is stripped away it is obvious Nevill neve rphoned police and absurd to assert he did.  The substantive debate ended with me challenging those who believe Nevill phoned police to explain if Nevill phoned police then why:

1) did police did not dispatch any cars in response to Nevill's call and instead dispatch them in response to Jeremy's call

2) tell Jeremy Nevill alreayd called and they were taking care of it instead of West asking Jeremy for all the information he already obtained from Nevill

3) dial WHF to see if the line was busy like Jeremy claimed.  They would have known the line was used after calling Jeremy to phone them. 

There are of course a host of other questions that were asked as well like why would police not tell the family about Nevill's call to shut the family up abaout Jeremy being guilty but these 3 are the most significant.

The only person to attempt to answer was reader but the best he could come up with was the claim that West wanted to conceal from Jeremy that Nevill had phoned in case they wanted to frame Jeremy and thus asked Jeremy for all of the information so Jeremy would have no clue about Nevill's call.

From an objective standpoint that claim is as absurd as the claim Nevill called but police wanted to keep it a secret for some different reaosn so never told Jeremy.

I welcome anyone to present some rational explanation that would render it non-absird but rather plausible for police to field a call from Nevill and yet dispatch no car and keep it a secret from jeremy and ask Jeremy for all the information obtained from Nevill.

There is no palusible explanation that is why it is absurd.

What has this got to do with my post?  I believe this is about a "conversation" you have been having with Lookout after the post you quote, and not with me at all.
Are you trying to divert attention?

I should clarify, your discussion with Lookout about the phone calls is way after you included her in your exceptionally rude post aimed at me - it is from way back. Those two have nothing to do with one another.

[lookout]

The claim that Nevill phoned police is indeed objectively absurd.  That is why not one of those who voted to suggest it occurred could present any sound reasoning for their vote.  The legal team did not run with such claim because they know it was absurd and baseless.

The campaign website on the subject contains numerous falsehoods including starting out with the bogus claim that Jeremy has always asserted Nevill phoned police after phoning him.  Jeremy's claims prior to and at trial were that Nevill was too private to call police and thus instead turned to him. 

When all the dishonest nonsense is stripped away it is obvious Nevill neve rphoned police and absurd to assert he did.  The substantive debate ended with me challenging those who believe Nevill phoned police to explain if Nevill phoned police then why:

1) did police did not dispatch any cars in response to Nevill's call and instead dispatch them in response to Jeremy's call

2) tell Jeremy Nevill alreayd called and they were taking care of it instead of West asking Jeremy for all the information he already obtained from Nevill

3) dial WHF to see if the line was busy like Jeremy claimed.  They would have known the line was used after calling Jeremy to phone them. 

There are of course a host of other questions that were asked as well like why would police not tell the family about Nevill's call to shut the family up abaout Jeremy being guilty but these 3 are the most significant.

The only person to attempt to answer was reader but the best he could come up with was the claim that West wanted to conceal from Jeremy that Nevill had phoned in case they wanted to frame Jeremy and thus asked Jeremy for all of the information so Jeremy would have no clue about Nevill's call.

From an objective standpoint that claim is as absurd as the claim Nevill called but police wanted to keep it a secret for some different reaosn so never told Jeremy.

I welcome anyone to present some rational explanation that would render it non-absird but rather plausible for police to field a call from Nevill and yet dispatch no car and keep it a secret from jeremy and ask Jeremy for all the information obtained from Nevill.

There is no palusible explanation that is why it is absurd.

Get over yourself,pleb. You're palusable too.

[JackiePreece]

Is this objective, scipio?:

This?:


This?:

Scipio in a post aimed at me including Lookout just for the heck of it:

You don´t get it, scipio, do you? On the other hand, probably you do, which makes you a vile human being.
Why would I even be bothered reading your long winded, arrogant posts when usually they start with an insult? I don´t even know two thirds of what you say here because I don´t read them for that reason.

Well said
Perfect

[JackiePreece]

I didn't get along with Caroline when she first joined. I had no idea who she was, then I read people thought she was Keira, and I believed it 100%. But she is VERY CLEARLY not so since I've realised that (and felt stupid for every considering otherwise) I'd say we now get along quite well and she is one of the people I contact off the open board, that can only be said for a handful of people.

I told her, and said openly, when she changed her stance that people would changed their opinions on HER and would discreetly and openly attack her - I told her she would be "run off the board in 3 months" - what I didn't take into account is her "no shit" attitutde and that those trying to run her off the board with constant attacks, digs and childish comments wouldn't actually bother her.

As for Grahame apparently not coming back whilst Caroline is here, I think it's childish that messages are seemingly being past bacl and forth and am amazed as his apparent ability to STILL ATTACK whilst he isn't a member of the forum! I think that with the way he has spoken to people on this board numerous time (he uses the worst langauage of any member) he should be lucky if he is allowed back at all.

Grahames one of the nicest people I have come across and honest
I am glad you and Caroline get on your attitude is the same
Your lucky to be on here

[Caroline]

Grahames one of the nicest people I have come across and honest
I am glad you and Caroline get on your attitude is the same
Your lucky to be on here

And yours is appalling - you can't help having a dig! 

[Adam]

Why did Grahame leave because of Caroline ?

She was pro Jeremy at the time and working with him against me, as I worked very hard to show Jeremy's guilt. Which was proving harder than I expected as Jeremy's supporters dug in. I do not recall any bust ups between the two of them. 

Obviously moderators have an opinion on the case. They were all pro Jeremy when I joined. So came after me when I highlighted his guilt, along with other posters.

Old habits did hard & even after another poster created a poll on me, he was not banned.

I was instead suddenly told by Caroline that me typing 'thread already created' was unacceptable, that I am not allowed to leave links to other related threads. Then told that 'no one, and I mean no one is interested in reading you're threads'. Before being banned.

[Alias]

Jansus, whilst I can't say I've made particular notice of his posts to Alias any MORE in sulting than those he makes to others, it HAS been on behalf of Alias that I've seen fit to reprimand him because Of how upset Alias has been by them.

You are totally correct, IMO, that there are agendas at work here that go back a long way To the best of my knowledge, this is still a free country and we are all entitled to our opinions.

I´ll help you then. Insulting to me + he threw in Lookout just to have a dig at her as well. I find this to be the most insulting, mean post ever. Mods don´t think it is anything special, OK. (This is from when he had just joined here):

Look is the only one here more pathetic than you .


Debating you and look is like going up against one legged people in an ass kicking contest.  You can add all the extra one legged people you want it still won't increase the chances of any of you being able to do anything to me.  On the one hand people might feel sorry for you but it won't help you prevail.

[Caroline]

Why did Grahame leave because of Caroline ?

She was pro Jeremy at the time and working with him against me, as I worked very hard to show Jeremy's guilt. Which was proving harder than I expected as Jeremy's supporters dug in. I do not recall any bust ups between the two of them.

Obviously moderators have an opinion on the case. They were all pro Jeremy when I joined. So came after me when I highlighted his guilt, along with other posters.

Old habits did hard & even after another poster created a poll on me, he was not banned.

I was instead suddenly told that me typing 'thread already created' was unacceptable, that I am not allowed to leave links to other related threads. Then told that 'no one, and I mean no one is interested in reading you're threads'. Before being banned.

Yes Adam, everyone has changed their mind because of you (NOT!!). Go back and read what actually happened not what you just dreamed.

[Jan]

Why did Grahame leave because of Caroline ?

She was pro Jeremy at the time and working with him against me, as I worked very hard to show Jeremy's guilt. Which was proving harder than I expected as Jeremy's supporters dug in. I do not recall any bust ups between the two of them. 

Obviously moderators have an opinion on the case. They were all pro Jeremy when I joined. So came after me when I highlighted his guilt, along with other posters.

Old habits did hard & even after another poster created a poll on me, he was not banned.

I was instead suddenly told by Caroline that me typing 'thread already created' was unacceptable, that I am not allowed to leave links to other related threads. Then told that 'no one, and I mean no one is interested in reading you're threads'. Before being banned.

I don't think he did.

[Adam]

I don't think he did.

Jackie said he did.

[susan]

Adam Grahame did not leave because of Caroline.

[Adam]

Grahame will never post on this forum while Caroline remains
I don't blame him

[Neil]

This was Grahames final post.

Hi all. I can see that this forum has at last run its course for me. I know I have deleted my account on and off as others have. But I have decided now to call it a day.
I concede defeat to my betters on the forum and their arguments according to the evidence that we have access to have at last won over me and therefore I have nothing more to argue for.
I bid you all farewell for the final time.
Grahame

[andrea]

This was Grahames final post.

Hi all. I can see that this forum has at last run its course for me. I know I have deleted my account on and off as others have. But I have decided now to call it a day.
I concede defeat to my betters on the forum and their arguments according to the evidence that we have access to have at last won over me and therefore I have nothing more to argue for.
I bid you all farewell for the final time.
Grahame

Has Graham changed his mind then?

[guest154]

Has Graham changed his mind then?

We haven't heard from him. Jackie has posted a few things that Grahame has apparently said

1. That he has NOT changed his mind and still believes that Bamber is innocent.
2. That Grahame left because of Caroline.

But Grahame's final post seems clear and precise and I know that I shall choose to believe that over anythnig else until Grahame HIMSELF says otherwise.