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« Reply #780 on: October 22, 2014, 06:42:PM »
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« Reply #781 on: December 29, 2014, 08:53:PM »
Interesting article on another site.

I do not believe Bamber phoned the police pretending to be Neville. He would have made a fuss at the time and got his defence to use it  However if he did then it might explain him not ringing 999.

It should be clear to all that much of Jeremy Bamber's defence is based on the phone call from "Neville Bamber" to thepolice. If "Neville Bamber" did make such a call then it is clear that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

However......

Unlike modern day telephone exchanges which automatically record the number from which a 999 call is dialed from, the BT exchanges in 1985 did not have that level of sophistication. There was a simple meter attached to your phone line @ your local exchange. All it recorded was the number of minutes your phone had used. at a given tariff.

Therefore it would have been perfectly possible for Jeremy Bamber to dial 999 from his own house phone, claim to be his father Neville and to say "my daughter has gone beserk with a gun". Leaving the phone off the hook in the farm after committing the murders would have helped reinforce the idea that Neville had indeed made the calls.

What is rather daming for Jeremy's case is that, by his own admission, rather than dial 999 for his own call to the police (which any normal person would have done). he looked up his local police stationn in the phone book and called them. Why?

Well, if you believe that he is guilty, then the reason is quite straight-forward. A 999 call would have been put through to the Divisonal HQ by the BT Operator (which is what happened with the "Neville" call).

If Jeremy Bamber had made that call then he risked being caught out if, minutes later, he then made a similar 999 call, this time posing as the worried son. The chances are that he would have gone via the same BT Operator and been connected to the same duty officer at the Divisional HQ. Either one of them might have suspected that the same caller was making both calls..

They only way to avoid this was to phone his local police station directly.

In this way he was guarenteed to speak to a different duty officer (which is what happened). Like the Divisional HQ officer that duty officer also dispatched a patrol car, hence the reason for 2 cars being dispatched. CA7 was dispatched by the Divisional HQ officer (and arrived first), whislt CA5 was dispatched by the local station.

Think about it - if your sister was going crazy with a gun, would you waste time looking up the number of your local police station in the phone book or would you simply dial 999 ?

There were 3 telephone calls in question:

1. Neville Bamber's 999 call to the police
A phone call was made by a person claiming to be "Neville Bamber". However, the prosecution dispute that Neville actually made the call since he was shot in the Larynx which would have made speach very difficult, if not impossible. However, the defence could have argued that he may have been shot in the larynx after making the calls.

2. Neville Bamber to Jeremy Bamber
The prosecution have always maintained that no call was ever made by Neville to Jeremy, since the latter was the killer. The defence has always argued that the call was made and that Jeremy is innocent. Sadly there is no way that we can ever know which version is correc t.

3. Jeremy Bamber to the police station
The call from Jeremy was made to his local poice station. The prosecution would have asked why, when his sister was going crazy with a gun did he waste time looking up his local police station's phone number in the phone book? Why did he also phone his girlfriend before calling the police, despite the seriousness of the situation?

It is possible that Jeremy, being unfamiliar with the workings of a BT exchange, may have incorrectly thought that he needed to make another call to prevent the 999 call being traced back to his phone. Maybe he thought that the exchange held the last number he dialled (a bit like the modern 1471 feature), hence his reason for phoning his girlfriend. Perhaps he needed to catch his breathe or collect his thought before making his next call to the police. Maybe he thought that his original 999 call under the guise of being his father went to his local police station and was scared that he would be put through to the same duty officer again, and so wanted to wait a few minutes just in case.

Whatever the reason, he briefly phoned his girlfriend, then looked up his local police station's number before finally calling them.

I don't know whether Jeremy Bamber is guilty or innocent, but the above is a feasible method by which he could have faked the calls. Impossible to do these days with the modern exchanges since the 999 caller id is automatically recorded, but was possible in 1985 when the murders were committed.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 05:39:AM by Adam »
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« Reply #782 on: December 30, 2014, 10:26:AM »
You should get a job,Adam.It might broaden your outlook !

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« Reply #783 on: December 30, 2014, 10:32:AM »
The more complicated you make Jeremys actions on the night - just so the scenario "fits"  then the less likely it is that he was guilty IMO.

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« Reply #784 on: December 30, 2014, 10:39:AM »
I see it that way too Jan. Too many scenarios make it look as though folk are struggling. ;D

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« Reply #785 on: December 30, 2014, 12:24:PM »
You should get a job,Adam.It might broaden your outlook !

I have a full time job thanks. A well paid one to.

The article to me was interesting as it showed why Bamber would dial 999 to pretend to be Neville, then dial Chelmsford as himself. Rather than just dial 999 twice.

Although he did not pretend to be Neville in my view, otherwise he would have demanded his lawyers look for proof of Neville's call, in 1985. Not optimistically bring it up twenty years later.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 12:38:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #786 on: December 30, 2014, 12:27:PM »
I have a full time job thanks. A well paid one to.

The article to me was interesting as it showed why Bamber would dial 999 to pretend to be Neville, then dial Chelmsford as himself. Rather than just dial 999 twice.

Although he did not pretend to be Neville on my view, otherwise he would have demanded his lawyers look for proof of Neville's call, in 1985. Not optimistically bring it up twenty years later.

There was no 999 call because had there been it would have been mentioned. All this cloak and dagger conspiracy stuff about such a phone call is utter rubbish in my opinion.
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« Reply #787 on: December 31, 2014, 09:32:AM »
Sheila must have been crazy.

Neville ringing the police at 3.26am, then ringing Jeremy at 3.36am according to the OS.  Or did he ring Jeremy at 3.10am as his WS says ?
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« Reply #788 on: December 31, 2014, 09:50:AM »
Neville rang Jeremy at his Goldhanger home------------yes ?

Who, then, was at Goldhanger to answer Nevilles' call if Jeremy was busy slaughtering everyone at WHF ?

Was it possible that Jeremy was in two places at once ? Or even commuting from one place to the other in such a short space of time ?

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« Reply #789 on: December 31, 2014, 10:07:AM »
Would not this ,or should not this have been classed as having been Jeremys' alibi ?

Also,something I've said before-------if Jeremy had have committed this heinous crime,I'm as sure as I'll ever be,that he'd have also turned the gun on himself rather than have faced the prospect of never seeing daylight again. Sadly,because of this obvious miscarriage of justice,it's happened anyway,but through NO fault of his own.
Let's hope that justice is done and seen to be done next year after this raw deal that Jeremy has endured,and with the utmost dignity I might add,as none of us would have survived what he's had to go through.

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« Reply #790 on: December 31, 2014, 10:18:AM »
 Right-------------I want some reasonable answers to what I've put forward,then I'll tell you if I agree with them or not. Logical answers only because they're logical questions.

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« Reply #791 on: December 31, 2014, 10:37:AM »
I'm not letting this go.

Who was at Goldhanger answering Nevilles' call if Jeremy was busy shooting his family at WHF ??

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« Reply #792 on: December 31, 2014, 12:42:PM »
Yoohoo,Adam----------solve this one Mr Mastermind.

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« Reply #793 on: December 31, 2014, 12:46:PM »
I'm not letting this go.

Who was at Goldhanger answering Nevilles' call if Jeremy was busy shooting his family at WHF ??

That's quite easy - there was no call.
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« Reply #794 on: December 31, 2014, 01:30:PM »
That's quite easy - there was no call.




Okay.