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« Reply #705 on: October 14, 2014, 01:23:PM »
Taking a casual look at the position of the body doesn't suffice. You need to relate it to the position of the rug and the spots on the carpet, and I described precisely how to do that. The differences I referred to can't be accounted for by the slightly different camera position.

The difference you claim exist do not.  The blood drops are the same locations in comparison to the body.  The photo which fits more of her body in the frame show addiitonal drops of blood because more of the floor fits in the frame in that photo.  Your claims fell apart like always.
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« Reply #706 on: October 14, 2014, 10:26:PM »
The bloodspots have nothing to do with my point except to show that the rug hadn't moved. Sheila's body is differently positioned in relation to that rug.

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« Reply #707 on: October 14, 2014, 10:45:PM »
The bloodspots have nothing to do with my point except to show that the rug hadn't moved. Sheila's body is differently positioned in relation to that rug.

Her body didn't move they just pulled her dress down a little more to make sure her privates were covered and they were taken at different angles and different dinstances.  That is why the underneath of the bible is visible in one photo but not th eother.  The second took the vantage form more above the bible intead of to the side.   
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« Reply #708 on: October 14, 2014, 11:15:PM »
You're still ignoring the observation I made about the rug in relation to Sheila's right leg.

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« Reply #709 on: October 15, 2014, 12:07:AM »
You're still ignoring the observation I made about the rug in relation to Sheila's right leg.

Her leg did not move her gown was pulled down more simply,  That along with the different angle and photo being from further away gives the false impression her leg moved.
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« Reply #710 on: October 16, 2014, 10:14:AM »
You're ignoring what I said. Her nightgown had nothing to do with the point I was making, and what I drew attention to would not have been affected by the slight difference in camera position.

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« Reply #711 on: October 16, 2014, 10:55:AM »
You're ignoring what I said. Her nightgown had nothing to do with the point I was making, and what I drew attention to would not have been affected by the slight difference in camera position.

Hee leg doesn't look as if it has been moved but What would be the point of moving it a couple of centimeters? And how does it make Jeremy innocent?
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« Reply #712 on: October 16, 2014, 12:42:PM »
Hee leg doesn't look as if it has been moved but What would be the point of moving it a couple of centimeters? And how does it make Jeremy innocent?
The whole argument about whether Sheila's body was moved or not was crucial to the defence's argument. For if they could prove that she was moved then that would disprove that Jeremy  staged the scene.

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« Reply #713 on: October 16, 2014, 01:19:PM »
Sheila HAD been moved. Of that there's no doubt when you study the pics.

Claire Powell had described Sheilas' arms having been by her side.!? Rifle one side,Bible the other.

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« Reply #714 on: October 16, 2014, 01:32:PM »
Sheila HAD been moved. Of that there's no doubt when you study the pics.

Claire Powell had described Sheilas' arms having been by her side.!? Rifle one side,Bible the other.

How would Claire Powell know that?

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« Reply #715 on: October 16, 2014, 01:36:PM »
The whole argument about whether Sheila's body was moved or not was crucial to the defence's argument. For if they could prove that she was moved then that would disprove that Jeremy  staged the scene.

Sorry Grahame, we're talking centimeters not from one side of the room to the other and I see nothing to suggest that she was moved - other than her hand. The pictures posted by Reader are from a different angle, proven by how much of the bible pages you can see.
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« Reply #716 on: October 16, 2014, 01:39:PM »
Sheila HAD been moved. Of that there's no doubt when you study the pics.

Claire Powell had described Sheilas' arms having been by her side.!? Rifle one side,Bible the other.

Of course I have studied the pictures and there is nothing to suggest she was moved at all (see above). If you want to believe she was moved then that's fine but certainly is doubt - a lot of it.

Now is this the same Claire Powell that people discredit when she says something negative about Jeremy?  ;)
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« Reply #717 on: October 16, 2014, 01:40:PM »
How would Claire Powell know that?

Excellent question Jansus and of course the answer is - she doesn't.
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« Reply #718 on: October 16, 2014, 01:43:PM »
How would Claire Powell know that?






I can only assume that what she'd stated on the front cover about researching " dozens of people " who'd agreed to speak to her during her writing of the book. Detectives,family members ( particularly as she described David Boutflour as being a pillar of strength and salt of the earth ) which you wouldn't necessarily describe someone this way if you didn't know them.

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« Reply #719 on: October 16, 2014, 02:04:PM »
Of course I have studied the pictures and there is nothing to suggest she was moved at all (see above). If you want to believe she was moved then that's fine but certainly is doubt - a lot of it.

Now is this the same Claire Powell that people discredit when she says something negative about Jeremy?  ;)





She certainly was negative as far as Jeremy's concerned,which was the idea of her book.

This is the extract when Sheila was found I quote," The slim figure was neatly dressed in a fresh nightgown.The dark,red-tinted hair was thick and glossy and the " outstretched " hands were tipped by long,blood-red nails.unquote ".