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« Reply #660 on: October 10, 2014, 08:45:PM »
"C) His account of hearing the rabbits or seeing them far away as it was getting dark (he kept changign hsi story of how he knew about the rabbits) is even less credible


Sorry but did he say it was dark ? It can be very light in the evenings here at that time of night - and early in the mornings . I would say it might be a bit silly to try and shoot them when it was perhaps not good light - but it is possible - perfectly possible.

According to an almanac sunset that day was around 8:30.  He supposedly got the gun out to shoot rabbits shortly before he left.  He left between 9:30 and 9:45.

You are so busy trying to defend Jeremy instead of looking for the truth.
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« Reply #661 on: October 10, 2014, 08:48:PM »
it doesnt get dark untill 10 at that time of year.

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« Reply #662 on: October 10, 2014, 08:49:PM »
What is your problem about people defending Jeremy.? You're quite paranoid about it and it's ridiculous.

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« Reply #663 on: October 10, 2014, 08:53:PM »
when he left it would of still been light.

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« Reply #664 on: October 10, 2014, 08:54:PM »
"Julie said Jeremy planned to kill his family, frame Sheila and say he received a phone call from WHF. Thus the claim he received a phone call was something he made up in advance as part of a preconceived plan to kill everyone."


For example if you take this in isolation - you are relying on the assumption that Julie was 100% telling the truth - and not in her 32 interviews been coached to aid the police in their conviction. As you are well aware someone was telling lies . It could have been Julie it could have been Jeremy .Both of them swore on oath . So one of them was not.  If she was not telling the truth but thought by saying this to make the crime fit because she was helping the police " get their guilty man" then it is a POSSIBILTY if Jeremy is innocent that the call from WHF did happen. You or the police could not prove that it did NOT happen.


Also remember she quite neatly covered herself in her interview with the N.O. W  - saying that he never admitted to her that he had done it . NEVER.


The 32 supposed interviews featured at least 10 times she had to just go review and sign statements that were typed up.  Some others were when they searched her house and before she even told them the truth about Jeremy.  The number makes no difference at all.  Tryig to pretend it does and means she was coached into lying is a worthless claim that shows bias merely not reasining skills.

The fact she didn't ever say Jeremy told her straight out he perosnally committed the crimes is a big problem for someone claiming she wa sjust lying and making things up because if she were just lying and making things up instead of trying to tell the truth she would have had no problem saying he told her he personally killed everyone.

You can't come up with anything to suggest she went through great effort to make up a detailed lie blaming Jeremy and worse that she decided the best lie would be a hitman tale that could easily be proven false.  Suggesting police would want her to identify a hitman who woudl be able to clear himself is especially stupid.

But your owrthless attacks on her story are even less valuable of course when the evidence corroborating her story is taken into account and all the evidence as a whole viewed.  Then your attack on her flops even more which of course is why you want to take it in isolation and not muddly up the works with other facts and the truth.
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« Reply #665 on: October 10, 2014, 08:54:PM »
it doesnt get dark untill 10 at that time of year.

Not according to the almanac.
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« Reply #666 on: October 10, 2014, 08:55:PM »
According to an almanac sunset that day was around 8:30.  He supposedly got the gun out to shoot rabbits shortly before he left.  He left between 9:30 and 9:45.

You are so busy trying to defend Jeremy instead of looking for the truth.

where did you get that almanac from.

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« Reply #667 on: October 10, 2014, 08:57:PM »
What is your problem about people defending Jeremy.? You're quite paranoid about it and it's ridiculous.

I have no problem as long as they don't lie, post false claims and provide some rational basis and evidence for their positions.  When they post from a position of bias but lie and pretend they are just being objective and then post lies or no rationale at all just unsupported opinion which they misrepresent as fact I will take issue and challenge such.

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« Reply #668 on: October 10, 2014, 08:59:PM »
like posting false cliams that it was dark when it wasnt.

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« Reply #669 on: October 10, 2014, 09:02:PM »
where did you get that almanac from.

Our library.  But I just found an online one which is interesting because it is from this year.


http://intl.weather.com/climate/sunRiseSunSet/Chelmsford+ESS+United+Kingdom+UKXX0031:1:UK?month=8

It said this year sunset on August 6, 2014 was at 8:38PM a far cry from your 10PM. It is only a few minues off from what the almanac listed from 1985.



 
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« Reply #670 on: October 10, 2014, 09:07:PM »
well its completly wrong as anyone who lives in the area will tell you

why do you think in all the reconstructions its still daylight.

why do you think the proscution dident say it was to dark to shoot rabbits why do you think the police dident.
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« Reply #671 on: October 10, 2014, 09:12:PM »
I have no problem as long as they don't lie, post false claims and provide some rational basis and evidence for their positions.  When they post from a position of bias but lie and pretend they are just being objective and then post lies or no rationale at all just unsupported opinion which they misrepresent as fact I will take issue and challenge such.





So everyone's wrong except you ! And what are you doing if you're not lying ? 
Do you have a vested interest in keeping Jeremy where he is,or something ??

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« Reply #672 on: October 10, 2014, 10:39:PM »
well its completly wrong as anyone who lives in the area will tell you

why do you think in all the reconstructions its still daylight.

why do you think the proscution dident say it was to dark to shoot rabbits why do you think the police dident.

Because they didn't need to bother stressing it was too dark, his claim already makes no sense on so many other levels.
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« Reply #673 on: October 10, 2014, 10:43:PM »
Because they didn't need to bother stressing it was too dark, his claim already makes no sense on so many other levels.

To be fair Scip, in August it;s still daylight at 9pm - even in the north where I live so Essex would be almost daylight.
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« Reply #674 on: October 10, 2014, 10:45:PM »
I have no problem as long as they don't lie, post false claims and provide some rational basis and evidence for their positions.  When they post from a position of bias but lie and pretend they are just being objective and then post lies or no rationale at all just unsupported opinion which they misrepresent as fact I will take issue and challenge such.

I am not telling lies and I am not posting false claims. I am trying to discuss and in my posts all I am doing is showing possibilities the same as you are. I am not expecting you to agree - and there are some points that I do not yet know what my answer will be . But I will work on it :)

I will be back to deal with your other points . And nug nug is correct - we were outside in the evenings this year in August at about that time and it was still light. Not daylight - but still light - so I am sorry on this one you are incorrect.