A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[Alias]

Adam - your post said it is time to have closure on all this - but you have had closure.

You have not asked a single  question that you yourself had not made up your mind what  the answer is before you post.

So you already have closure - you know 100% in your mind that Jeremy is guilty - so your closure is the most simple of all.

Don't post anymore and find yourself another case to read about.

I don´t quite understand the interest in a case where you agree with the verdit, the culprit has the maximum penalty possible, is behind bars. Everything is as you want it to be. Why use so much time on the case then?
I followed another possible MOJ case. I started out thinking the guys in prison were innocent, but I changed my stance and ended up believing them to be guilty. That made me lose interest in that partiular case.
Guess I was wrong changing my opinion from innocent to guilty, because the three men in question are now out of prison, one of them from death row; but that is irrelevant here.

[susan]

Alias I hear what you say about Adam.  Since I recently changed my stance to guilty I have always thought two people were involved and I am trying to work out how he set about committing the murders and with whom and this is why I still debate the case trying to figure out how.

[Alias]

Alias I hear what you say about Adam.  Since I recently changed my stance to guilty I have always thought two people were involved and I am trying to work out how he set about committing the murders and with whom and this is why I still debate the case trying to figure out how.

OK, that makes sense, because to you, the case isn´t entirely solved.

[susan]

Alias you got it too many unanswered questions and trying to make sense of it all is so difficult hoping I get some better idea by debating with other posters  Nobody yet has posted how he carried out these murders on his own to convince me it was possible he must have had help.

[Adam]

I don´t quite understand the interest in a case where you agree with the verdit, the culprit has the maximum penalty possible, is behind bars. Everything is as you want it to be. Why use so much time on the case then?
I followed another possible MOJ case. I started out thinking the guys in prison were innocent, but I changed my stance and ended up believing them to be guilty. That made me lose interest in that partiular case.
Guess I was wrong changing my opinion from innocent to guilty, because the three men in question are now out of prison, one of them from death row; but that is irrelevant here.

What was the other case ?

[Jan]

Does anyone know if Jeremy knew that his father had been threatened ? I am sure it was not Jeremy he was worried about because he would not have let him have a gun in the house / gave him a 20% share in the business/ told the estate manager he was ready to take on more responsibility.

If Jeremy did know that, he could have staged the whole thing as a revenge attack.

So much easier - no worry about making it look like suicide - no making sure the house was locked up and no real motive to worry about.

It sounds like the man who made the threat was a nasty bit of work - so how much easier would that have been?

[Alias]

Alias you got it too many unanswered questions and trying to make sense of it all is so difficult hoping I get some better idea by debating with other posters  Nobody yet has posted how he carried out these murders on his own to convince me it was possible he must have had help.

You know I agree with that. 

[Alias]

What was the other case ?

The West Memphis Three, Arkansas, USA.
Three eight year old boys were brutally killed in 1993. Their naked, bound bodies were found in a drainage ditch.
Three West Memphis teenagers were arrested and convicted on dubious "evidence". Among other things, the testimony of a mail order "expert" on Satanic, ritual killings.
Very interesting case.

[Caroline]

I don´t quite understand the interest in a case where you agree with the verdit, the culprit has the maximum penalty possible, is behind bars. Everything is as you want it to be. Why use so much time on the case then?
I followed another possible MOJ case. I started out thinking the guys in prison were innocent, but I changed my stance and ended up believing them to be guilty. That made me lose interest in that partiular case.
Guess I was wrong changing my opinion from innocent to guilty, because the three men in question are now out of prison, one of them from death row; but that is irrelevant here.

We aren't all the same - I haven't lost interest.

[Alias]

We aren't all the same - I haven't lost interest.

Why not?

[Jane]

Adam - your post said it is time to have closure on all this - but you have had closure.

You have not asked a single  question that you yourself had not made up your mind what  the answer is before you post.

So you already have closure - you know 100% in your mind that Jeremy is guilty - so your closure is the most simple of all.

Don't post anymore and find yourself another case to read about.

EXACTLY. You walked into that without any help, Adam.

[Caroline]

Why not?

Because there are still things I'm not sure about.

[Alias]

Because there are still things I'm not sure about.

Fair enough. What things?

[Jan]

The thing I find frustrating is the things that matter are actually down to interpretation by "experts" and they all disagree with themselves!

The blood in the silencer even on the day Hayward changed his mind and if it was blood only possible by blood spatter by a contact shot - why would junes and nevilles blood possibly be in there and why on earth would Junes DNA be there?

One minute its a deadly weapon that Sheila could not possibly use - then someone says its no more that a slightly beefed up air rifle.

She would have broken her nails - then we learn the length of her nails was not even recorded.

The night dress - no other blood on it- but there is a document on here that may indicate otherwise.

The hand swabs - they were re-submitted -were they actually the originals or were they new ones? if so they would not have GSR on them.

The Dickinson report said there was no reason why Sheila would have blood from the victims on her - but everyone else said she would.

Nevilles injuries - most were cause by gun shot - and if he was slumped on a chair and could not fight back I cant see any reason why Sheila could not have then hit him.

She had been round guns all her life so I cant see any reason why she could not have fired the gun and there was no need to be a crack shot from that distance.

The moderator  is the key  and I bet everyone of us would fight to the bitter end to have such a vital piece  of evidence removed if it had been - taken out of a box - put in a car boot where there were bloodied clothes , handled by family members , put in a wardrobe , handled in a tissue and put in a piece of cardboard tube.

It has also been written that the police at one stage tested the moderator on the end of the rifle by firing bullets through it to match LAN lines. Lets sincerely hope that was after al the blood tests had been done.

[Patti]

The thing I find frustrating is the things that matter are actually down to interpretation by "experts" and they all disagree with themselves!

The blood in the silencer even on the day Hayward changed his mind and if it was blood only possible by blood spatter by a contact shot - why would junes and nevilles blood possibly be in there and why on earth would Junes DNA be there?

One minute its a deadly weapon that Sheila could not possibly use - then someone says its no more that a slightly beefed up air rifle.

She would have broken her nails - then we learn the length of her nails was not even recorded.

The night dress - no other blood on it- but there is a document on here that may indicate otherwise.

The hand swabs - they were re-submitted -were they actually the originals or were they new ones? if so they would not have GSR on them.

The Dickinson report said there was no reason why Sheila would have blood from the victims on her - but everyone else said she would.

Nevilles injuries - most were cause by gun shot - and if he was slumped on a chair and could not fight back I cant see any reason why Sheila could not have then hit him.

She had been round guns all her life so I cant see any reason why she could not have fired the gun and there was no need to be a crack shot from that distance.

The moderator  is the key  and I bet everyone of us would fight to the bitter end to have such a vital piece  of evidence removed if it had been - taken out of a box - put in a car boot where there were bloodied clothes , handled by family members , put in a wardrobe , handled in a tissue and put in a piece of cardboard tube.

It has also been written that the police at one stage tested the moderator on the end of the rifle by firing bullets through it to match LAN lines. Lets sincerely hope that was after al the blood tests had been done.

Excellent post Jansus.