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Mr. Gee

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« Reply #480 on: September 27, 2014, 01:19:PM »




You're definitely crackers then.  >:(
That is very concise and to the point. lol ;D

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« Reply #481 on: September 27, 2014, 01:23:PM »
Hmm I don't think you like criticism.  :-\

Nevertheless, what I've posted above appears the be the overwhelming consensus amongst unbiased forum members.
As I say:
Whether he refuses to openly admit this or not is irrelevant.
He is quite welcome to disagree.


What utter rubbish.  How would you know about the "overwhelming consensus"?

I don't like being accused of dishonesty.  I am afraid you have plummeted in my estimation Harters.  I knew you were a wind up merchant but this has gone beyond that.

 

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« Reply #482 on: September 27, 2014, 01:35:PM »
Harters when I joined the forum at first I was told you were a busker and that is why you disappeared for weeks at a time.  Hope you are not something quite boring like an Engineer or Architect or bus driver :'(

Hehe, busker sounds good.  :D

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« Reply #483 on: September 27, 2014, 01:39:PM »
H ( e )artless sounds even better !

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« Reply #484 on: September 27, 2014, 02:01:PM »


Hartley is banned.  I am sure that is what his aim was.  I have removed several posts.


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« Reply #485 on: September 27, 2014, 02:04:PM »
 Good for you,ngb. His aura was catching and helped to inflame others,which was his intention.

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« Reply #486 on: September 27, 2014, 02:05:PM »
Good for you,ngb. His aura was catching and helped to inflame others,which was his intention.

I agree Lookout.


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« Reply #487 on: September 30, 2014, 08:59:PM »
ngb scipio and hartley are just baiting you. Ihn my opinion you are one of the most honest posters on this forum. Andthem not beilieving that you are not genuine or indeed not being honest could possibly bee that they are judging you from their own characters. That is what dishonest people do. I must also emphasise that you are possibly the only honest lawyer that I have had the pleasure to be acquainted with. Moreover although scipio is endeed very clever. Note I said "clever" I feel that he has a cunning way with words and is brilliant in covering his mistakes and making people think that he is basing his views entirely on the facts.

Baiting seems to imply that there is a trick afoot like baiting someone to make an admisison of guilt.

I wonder what is behind NGB's thinking to entertain the possiiblity given the laundry list I mentioned.

If he doesn't want to answer so be it but this is a discussion board and why you think something is more important than thinking it.

The clever thing many do is refuse to discuss the basis of their opinions because they know if they do such basis will be shredded.  They would rather have an unproved opinion that is attacked than to set forth a basis that can be demolished.

I always set forth my basis so people can try to shred it all they want because if it is the truth it will survive scrutiny and if it is shredded that is fine because the truth all I care about anyway.

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« Reply #488 on: September 30, 2014, 10:41:PM »
1) the physical evidence, shell casings and blood evidence as well as other related issues to body positioning, establishes both women were killed in the master bedroom and that they were not significantly moved other than Sheila being moved flat from a seated position when shot
How does that rule out the possibility that Sheila was alive in the kitchen, not wounded?

2) the police who entered all say there was only 1 body in the kitchen, the one slumped over the chair
The few who entered early would say that now, wouldn't they? The point is that EP have been less than candid about releasing relevant police documentation, so what they permitted us to see can't be trusted.

3) all police who went in the master bedroom say there were 2 bodies
There were definitely two eventually, but for only one, namely Sheila, do we have photographs of her body in different positions - not just her arm moved, but all of her body.

4) Dr Craig says both female bodies were in the bedroom
He wasn't there at the relevant time. We know the two bodies were there eventually.

6) There is no reason why police would immediately move a body from the kitchen to the bedroom
They needn't have done so if Sheila was alive in the kitchen. There was no reason for the police to photograph Sheila's body in different positions, but admit only to moving her arm.

Police instantly thought Sheila was responsible, how could her body being in the kitchen take away from that view?
Because that would mean the police were concealing information. They held back who moved Sheila's body anyway between when the photographs mentioned above were taken.

That early on in the investigation why would someone do such?  People do not do things for no reason.
Presumably because they had blundered so badly that they didn't want to admit it.

Why have the police been so keen not to release the full logs they made? Pc Saxby stated that he kept a log, but none of it has been disclosed. Some of the log pages we have seen were disclosed only because of a court order.

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« Reply #489 on: October 01, 2014, 11:23:AM »
How does that rule out the possibility that Sheila was alive in the kitchen, not wounded?
The few who entered early would say that now, wouldn't they? The point is that EP have been less than candid about releasing relevant police documentation, so what they permitted us to see can't be trusted.
There were definitely two eventually, but for only one, namely Sheila, do we have photographs of her body in different positions - not just her arm moved, but all of her body.
He wasn't there at the relevant time. We know the two bodies were there eventually.
They needn't have done so if Sheila was alive in the kitchen. There was no reason for the police to photograph Sheila's body in different positions, but admit only to moving her arm.
Because that would mean the police were concealing information. They held back who moved Sheila's body anyway between when the photographs mentioned above were taken.
Presumably because they had blundered so badly that they didn't want to admit it.

Why have the police been so keen not to release the full logs they made? Pc Saxby stated that he kept a log, but none of it has been disclosed. Some of the log pages we have seen were disclosed only because of a court order.

What photographs are you talking about. Which pictures show that Sheila's whole body had been moved?
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« Reply #490 on: October 01, 2014, 11:39:AM »
Baiting seems to imply that there is a trick afoot like baiting someone to make an admisison of guilt.

I wonder what is behind NGB's thinking to entertain the possiiblity given the laundry list I mentioned.

If he doesn't want to answer so be it but this is a discussion board and why you think something is more important than thinking it.

The clever thing many do is refuse to discuss the basis of their opinions because they know if they do such basis will be shredded.  They would rather have an unproved opinion that is attacked than to set forth a basis that can be demolished.

I always set forth my basis so people can try to shred it all they want because if it is the truth it will survive scrutiny and if it is shredded that is fine because the truth all I care about anyway.

Most people do not lay all their cards on the table but I do.
I agree. But that is not what hartley was doing. He was implying and kept on implying that because ngb laied out clearly what he thought that  he was lying. That is why ngb banned him.

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« Reply #491 on: October 01, 2014, 08:20:PM »
What photographs are you talking about. Which pictures show that Sheila's whole body had been moved?
The pair of photographs that have been discussed on this site numerous times. There are at least two places where they are posted together, making it easy to spot the differences. To prove the difference in position of the body, note that its position in relation to spots (of blood presumably) on the carpet differs in the two photographs. Those spots cannot have moved,  so the body has.  The bible was moved as well.

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« Reply #492 on: October 02, 2014, 01:41:AM »
The pair of photographs that have been discussed on this site numerous times. There are at least two places where they are posted together, making it easy to spot the differences. To prove the difference in position of the body, note that its position in relation to spots (of blood presumably) on the carpet differs in the two photographs. Those spots cannot have moved,  so the body has.  The bible was moved as well.

Yes, I remember the discussion now, but it is a matter of opinion as to whether Sheila was moved. The is no doubt that her hand was moved but what would be the point of moving her body only slightly?
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« Reply #493 on: October 02, 2014, 05:34:AM »
How does that rule out the possibility that Sheila was alive in the kitchen, not wounded?

How does blood and shell casing evidence proving she was killed in the master bedroom and evidence that rigor set in before police entered prove she wasn't alive in the kitchen, killed in the kitchen and then later moved upstairs?

Isn't it self explanatory? 

If instead you are suggesting she ran upstairs herself and was killed up there so that is why the blood evidence was there, the shell casings were there and why there was no blood evidence of her body being dragged from another room then you ignore:

1) the claim is there was a dead female body in the kitchen and a live person who ran upstairs won't fit

2) rigor began to set in befor epolice even entered so she was dea dbefore they entered

3) if they shot her shots would have been heard

4) if they shot her they would have no need to hide it, shooting an armed person is perfectly valid.

The few who entered early would say that now, wouldn't they? The point is that EP have been less than candid about releasing relevant police documentation, so what they permitted us to see can't be trusted.

Again they had no reason at all to conceal her being shot by them, people would have heard the shots and the documentation that would indicate such things was released. 

There were definitely two eventually, but for only one, namely Sheila, do we have photographs of her body in different positions - not just her arm moved, but all of her body.
He wasn't there at the relevant time. We know the two bodies were there eventually.
They needn't have done so if Sheila was alive in the kitchen. There was no reason for the police to photograph Sheila's body in different positions, but admit only to moving her arm.
Because that would mean the police were concealing information. They held back who moved Sheila's body anyway between when the photographs mentioned above were taken.
Presumably because they had blundered so badly that they didn't want to admit it.

Why have the police been so keen not to release the full logs they made? Pc Saxby stated that he kept a log, but none of it has been disclosed. Some of the log pages we have seen were disclosed only because of a court order.

The photos don't demonstrate her body was moved for the photos beyond her arm and the gun and such movements have no impact at all on the allegations of her originally being in the kitchen.

There is no motive for them to move her to the bedroom from the kitchen and no evidence that such was done the evidence establishes she was killed in the bedroom.

If she had died in the kitchen it simply would have looked to them like she killed Nevill last and then killed herself.  That would help their theory not hurt it.   
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« Reply #494 on: October 02, 2014, 10:00:AM »
What do you call a person who HAS to have the last word ??