A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[lookout]

I wonder if each and every one of them enjoys their Christmas's ! Or their retirements for that matter.

[Reader]

I have very much considered it. The very idea is as previously described.

I meant that you didn't consider it in your post.

[tyler]

Hi Caroline. Here is Ann Eaton's testimony where she describes being told that both Sheila and June were on the bed with the bible on her chest and the rifle between them.

Good find Grahame. I too had thought that  - was it Clarke? told AE that both June and Sheila had been found ON the bed. And clearly AE had passed this on to JM. AE certainly got flustered when questioned about this at the trial.

[lookout]

Good find Grahame. I too had thought that  - was it Clarke? told AE that both June and Sheila had been found ON the bed. And clearly AE had passed this on to JM. AE certainly got flustered when questioned about this at the trial.

I'm not surprised AE was flustered. Why didn't they appear to be " squeaky clean " over this like they had been with everything else ? Writing down-----and reporting blooded cobwebs.
Surely they must have known that the police were pulling a fast one ?  Kitchen,bed,floor ??

[susan]

Hello tyler  just reading Colin Caffells book and he states categorically HAD Sheila shot herself she would not have been in the same room as her Mother but with her twins that she loved

[ngb1066]

Hello tyler  just reading Colin Caffells book and he states categorically HAD Sheila shot herself she would not have been in the same room as her Mother but with her twins that she loved

How could he know that Susan?

[lookout]

 Susan,I'm sure Jeremy would have known that too ?,and she could well have been heading that way ?

[tyler]

Hello tyler  just reading Colin Caffells book and he states categorically HAD Sheila shot herself she would not have been in the same room as her Mother but with her twins that she loved

Yes,I have his book Susan. But it is only his opinion,and although I agree with it,if Sheila did in fact commit suicide,no one can possibly know what was going on in her mind. Also,it is very possible that Sheila did not,in fact,commit suicide in the main bedroom at all.

[susan]

Hello tyler it his just his opinion and really that is all we have at the moment.  Not all that impressed with the book (sorry Colin if you read the forum) too much about himself.

[susan]

Hello ngb how indeed could he know.  I suspect because he was aware of the relationship between Sheila and her Mother he would think that was the last place she wished to meet her God.  He said Sheila hated June (strong words but his not mine) she loved her boys and would have wished to die with them.

[lookout]

Yes,I have his book Susan. But it is only his opinion,and although I agree with it,if Sheila did in fact commit suicide,no one can possibly know what was going on in her mind. Also,it is very possible that Sheila did not,in fact,commit suicide in the main bedroom at all.

Quite right,tyler,and I have my own views as to what went on.

[Mr. Gee]

I think that Harters could be the one to settle this. It's HE who would know if he was insinuating a lie or misleading OR simply disagreeing with Neil's view point.

Then you likewise take your own advice and don't try to assume what hartley meant when in actual fact his post definitely says "I don't believe you". In other words its a pllite way of saying "you're lying" as he did with me. So instead of trying to defend him just butt out.

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline. Here is Ann Eaton's testimony where she describes being told that both Sheila and June were on the bed with the bible on her chest and the rifle between them.

Cheers for that Grahame, she doesn't say who told her or if the person who told her saw the scene or if they were someone who heard it second hand. Whoever it was, was either mistaken or perhaps the bodies were moved onto the bed prior to being sent to the mortuary. They may have been placed on the bed after various photographs were taken. Who knows. The blood pool on the floor next to Sheila is indicative of where she died.

[Mr. Gee]

Cheers for that Grahame, she doesn't say who told her or if the person who told her saw the scene or if they were someone who heard it second hand. Whoever it was, was either mistaken or perhaps the bodies were moved onto the bed prior to being sent to the mortuary. They may have been placed on the bed after various photographs were taken. Who knows. The blood pool on the floor next to Sheila is indicative of where she died.

Well unfortunately all we have is her statement if words mean anything that is what she said. She of course may have been mistaken, or the person who told her was mistaken. But then again as I have constantly stressed since the beginning there are many anomalies in this case and some of them may never be solved?

[scipio_usmc]

What I believe is that is possible that a body of a female was seen in the kitchen before the raid team entered and even possibly after they entered.  I am not saying that is likely, I have accepted that the explanation may be that there was a mistake.  It is nevertheless a possibility and it is one of several aspects of the case which concern me. 

Where Harters is coming from is why do you even consider it a possibility after considering the following:

1) the physical evidence, shell casings and blood evidence as well as other related issues to body positioning, establishes both women were killed in the master bedroom and that they were not significantly moved other than Sheila being moved flat from a seated position when shot

2) the police who entered all say there was only 1 body in the kitchen, the one slumped over the chair

3) all police who went in the master bedroom say there were 2 bodies

4) Dr Craig says both female bodies were in the bedroom

5) the photos show the bodies in the bedroom

6) There is no reason why police would immediately move a body from the kitchen to the bedroom

Police instantly thought Sheila was responsible, how could her body being in the kitchen take away from that view?  Why would the raid team relocate her body from the kitchen to the bedroom before mos tother police coudl find out she had been in the kitchen?  SUch would have to have taken place quite early on, obviously before Craig arrived and before the photos were taken.

That early on in the investigation why would someone do such?  People do not do things for no reason.

The lack of  amotivation is a big enough problem but even worse the bloodpool near Sheila's body in the bedroom proves that is where she was lying shortly after her death. 

Not only would police have had to move her body but to have cleaned up dry blood that would have been in the kitchen and then relocated shell casings, all of this before many other police entered.

It is not as if the police could have changed  her being found in the bedroom a month later.  The change woudl have to have occurred very early on the first day of the investigation.

Why would police do such so early on?

This is why Harters is having trouble beliving in your sincerity.

I have to admit I wonder why you would give it any credence given these issues.