A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[ngb1066]

NGB's opinion doesn't carry any credence whatsoever in this instance.

He is having you on. 

I hope you are joking Harters.  I am certainly not.  If I post an opinion it is a genuine opinion.  It may be wrong, but it is genuinely held.  Please do not suggest that I am playing games because I am not.  I am in fact very critical of much that has been said by those connected with the campaign.  I think claims which are baseless seriously harm the defence and obscure some very strong defence points.

 

[Mr. Gee]

It does trouble me and I was not "playing around".  I do not post for the purpose of being annoying, although I accept that some may be annoyed by my posts!

I have a hunch that something went wrong after the raid team entered and this has been covered up.  There is no doubt that bodies were moved by the police before the crime scene photographs were taken.  This was even referred to by at least two members of the raid team when they were shown a video a couple of days later as part of a debriefing.  Against that background I am concerned about the initial sighting of what was believed to be a female in the kitchen.  I accept that it could simply be a mistake although having looked at the photograph itself I personally find it a surprising mistake.  It also troubles me that there was no immediate correction of this "mistake" on the radio following entry to the house.

I hope that helps.

A very clear and concise post ngb. This is one of my concerns as well.

[Caroline]

Which is why I said the alternative was preposterous.

I don't believe that this is an aspect of the case which troubles NGB, I think he was playing around when he posted that just to be annoying. 

To be fair, NGB looked at a photograph with the benefit of hindsight, he could examine it at his leisure for as long as he wished with full prior knowledge that the victim was a man. All of which would obviously affect his opinion. Collins didn't have the benefit of hindsight, he made a snap judgment based on a quick look through a window under stressful circumstances. He made a mistake, a mistake that has been jumped on.

[No-Bits]

It does trouble me and I was not "playing around".  I do not post for the purpose of being annoying, although I accept that some may be annoyed by my posts!

I have a hunch that something went wrong after the raid team entered and this has been covered up.  There is no doubt that bodies were moved by the police before the crime scene photographs were taken.  This was even referred to by at least two members of the raid team when they were shown a video a couple of days later as part of a debriefing.  Against that background I am concerned about the initial sighting of what was believed to be a female in the kitchen.  I accept that it could simply be a mistake although having looked at the photograph itself I personally find it a surprising mistake.  It also troubles me that there was no immediate correction of this "mistake" on the radio following entry to the house.

I hope that helps.

Haha, yeah okay.  :D

The inference is that a body of a female was actually in the kitchen when the police entered. I don't believe for one second that you believe that to be the case.

I do not believe that the claims of a female body being in the kitchen 'trouble you'.

As I said, I think you are playing around, if that is what you are now suggesting.

[Mr. Gee]

Haha, yeah okay.  :D

The inference is that a body of a female was actually in the kitchen when the police entered. I don't believe for one second that you believe that to be the case.

I do not believe that the claims of a female body being in the kitchen 'trouble you'.

As I said, I think you are playing around, if that is what you are now suggesting.

It appears to me that you are still insinuating tha ngb is lying? Ufortunately this kind of judgment appears to be a common affliction with you and probably is part of your nature, sadly.
However I think ngb's concerns are real. For he states that one of his concerns is that the statement over the radio that a body of a female was seen in the kitchen was not corrected when the team actually entered. Furthermore they compounded the error by stating on entry one male and one female dead.
The confusion unfortunately was created by them, the raid team. Therefore I think ngb is quite justified in expressing his concerns.

[lookout]

 Why was Sheilas' body presumed to have been found in THREE places ?
 Namely the kitchen----on the bed------and on the floor of the main bedroom.
 Which is it to be,or,what was the REAL truth ?

[Caroline]

Why was Sheilas' body presumed to have been found in THREE places ?
 Namely the kitchen----on the bed------and on the floor of the main bedroom.
 Which is it to be,or,what was the REAL truth ?

Because people are trying to make a conspiracy out of something that isn't.

[Mr. Gee]

Why was Sheilas' body presumed to have been found in THREE places ?
 Namely the kitchen----on the bed------and on the floor of the main bedroom.
 Which is it to be,or,what was the REAL truth ?

It is unfortunate that the only proof we have of the location of Sheila's body are the official pictures which show her quite clearly on the floor beside the bed. Although we of course have our suspicions as to where she actually was found and certain documents that hint at her being seen in several places, Ann Eaton's statement being one of them. She states that she was told either by a police officer or by JM that Sheila and June were both found on the bed with the rifle between them
This may explain (1) the unusual position of the rifle across Sheila's body. A more natural position for the rifle to end up if she shot herself would be beside her having fallen off her body after the shot. (2) The Bible with the unusual bloodstain pattern that indicates thather body had been moved at some stage. Note that Ann Eaton also mentioned the Bible as being on Sheila's chest.

[lookout]

 That's a dangerous practice,Caroline. Given that the police were " palsy-walsy " with the rellies and seemingly told the rellies everything to keep them up to speed,would the police have told the rellies the different locations in which Sheila was found ??

[lookout]

Because I seem to remember that both JB and AE knew that Sheila had been found on the bed ?
Wouldn't this then have seemed confusing to state in court that she was found on the floor ? So why didn't the rellies question this ? Or did they just let it slide,knowing that if they'd have opened their mouths,all would have been lost so far as they were concerned.
This being the case,they'd know that there had been something underhanded going on,so surely they've got to have some doubt about Jeremys' guilt ??

[lookout]

As the saying goes," There's no honesty among thieves ",and between the lot of them,they've STOLEN Jeremys' life.

[ngb1066]

Haha, yeah okay.  :D

The inference is that a body of a female was actually in the kitchen when the police entered. I don't believe for one second that you believe that to be the case.I do not believe that the claims of a female body being in the kitchen 'trouble you'.

As I said, I think you are playing around, if that is what you are now suggesting.

What I believe is that is possible that a body of a female was seen in the kitchen before the raid team entered and even possibly after they entered.  I am not saying that is likely, I have accepted that the explanation may be that there was a mistake.  It is nevertheless a possibility and it is one of several aspects of the case which concern me. 

 

[Caroline]

That's a dangerous practice,Caroline. Given that the police were " palsy-walsy " with the rellies and seemingly told the rellies everything to keep them up to speed,would the police have told the rellies the different locations in which Sheila was found ??

They didn't, one police officer told AE that Sheila was found on the left side of the bed. She was, AE assumed he meant ON THE BED as opposed to left OF the bed. No conspiracy.

[lookout]

They didn't, one police officer told AE that Sheila was found on the left side of the bed. She was, AE assumed he meant ON THE BED as opposed to left OF the bed. No conspiracy.

AE,in her statement said that she was told by an officer that Sheila was found on the bed with the Bible on her chest. AE was told this on the morning of the tragedy.
Though it still doesn't alter the fact that Sheilas' body was found,after Nevilles' to be in the kitchen.  If that too was a mistake,why did it take so long in putting it right ? All of half an hour ??

[No-Bits]

What I believe is that is possible that a body of a female was seen in the kitchen before the raid team entered and even possibly after they entered.  I am not saying that is likely, I have accepted that the explanation may be that there was a mistake.  It is nevertheless a possibility and it is one of several aspects of the case which concern me. 

 

As I said I don't believe you. The very idea is utterly preposterous, as I'm sure you know.

You rarely offer opinions unless they are based on fact or logic and your logic often appears to me to be quite sound.
You are deviating from your normal 'behaviour/style' with this assertion.

On this occasion I think there is a little gamesmanship going on. 

Perhaps you didn't appreciate me suggesting you were being naive yesterday.