A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[susan]

april I agree with points made on the forum on this subject BUT if he is guilty he could not turn round and say oh that cannot be true I know because I shot him this is just an opinion and in no way am I saying it is the right one just my one he would have to go with the find.

[maggie]

Given that some people still believe the call happened and that it is made much of on the OS, I think it is very much worthy of debate.

I am not saying it isn't worthy of debate, I am saying it will never prove JBs guilt or innocence. I agree there are issues within the whole question which are worthy of debate.

[No-Bits]

What you say is of course blatently obvious. But the point I was making is that his reaction to the finding of the second log is an indication that he was being honest. And unfortunately there are those who will judge him dishonest because of it.

What Caroline is saying (I think  ), is that the log wasn't recently found. It was referred to in court, listed as an exhibit and received a sticker identifying it as an exhibit.

The dishonesty is not in it's misinterpretation, but in claiming that it was only recently available. The fact that it has always been available, suggests that the misinterpretation isn't genuine.

Nevertheless, whether a person believes that there was an intent to be dishonest or not, it's quite clear that the Campaign Team are continuing to present erroneous misleading information. I'd be quite surprised if anybody didn't believe that to be the case.

Log with exhibit label:


List of exhibit labels (see 29).

[Jane]

Given that some people still believe the call happened and that it is made much of on the OS, I think it is very much worthy of debate.

I absolutely agree, Caroline. I've said repeatedly that some things apply whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent and this is one of those. Either way, I feel certain he'd rather be out of prison if there's the slightest chance of it.

[Caroline]

I am not saying it isn't worthy of debate, I am saying it will never prove JBs guilt or innocence. I agree there are issues within the whole question which are worthy of debate.

Actually the only thing from the 'known' evidence that would prove his innocence is if he could prove either Neville called him or Neville called the police because it means Neville was alive around the time that Jeremy called the police from another location.

[lookout]

Thank you Maggie. That was the exact point I was trying to make. The second log was discovered and he mistakenly thought that it indicated that his father phoned the police. He wasn't being dishonest. But my point I feel has not been understood? In other words Bamber honestly thought he was in with a chance with new evidence and was not deliberately trying to mislead people. In fact his legal team advised him not to use it, but he didn't listen. That unfortunately is what he does. He seems to dig holes for himself and doesn't listen very well to advice given by others who have better knowledge of legal matters than he.

It's called being impetuous,Mr G,and we've all been that at sometime in our lives. Nothing sinister was going through his mind at all. It's not his fault. Must be like looking for a needle in a haystack for the tiniest clue that he can find,hence his long-standing patience in searching and wracking his brain. I fully admire his determination and his need to seek the truth.
 

[Caroline]

What Caroline is saying (I think  ), is that the log wasn't recently found. It was referred to in court, listed as an exhibit and received a sticker identifying it as an exhibit.

The dishonesty is not in it's misinterpretation, but in claiming that it was only recently available. The fact that it has always been available, suggests that the misinterpretation isn't genuine.

Nevertheless, whether a person believes that there was an intent to be dishonest or not, it's quite clear that the Campaign Team are continuing to present erroneous misleading information. I'd be quite surprised if anybody didn't believe that to be the case.

Log with exhibit label:


List of exhibit labels (see 29).

Got it in one! 

[Jane]

Got it in one! 

HOW many?

[maggie]

Actually the only thing from the 'known' evidence that would prove his innocence is if he could prove either Neville called him or Neville called the police because it means Neville was alive around the time that Jeremy called the police from another location.

I do agree Caroline.

[maggie]

Got it in one! 

As did I.

[Reader]

It makes no difference AT ALL that someone far from the scene messed up and thought there were 2 bodies in the kitchen.

The only other explanation put forward for the log referring to a female (prior to when the police investigated the main bedroom) is that Nevill's body was mistaken for that of a female. As Nevill was wearing a man's pyjama jacket, how could he have been positioned for it to be possible that he was mistaken for a female? As the kitchen light was on, the area in front of the Aga would have been clearly visible. The logged times indicate that raid team officers entered the kitchen just minutes after the raid started. No mention is made of any of them immediately realizing or being told that what was expected to be a female was in fact a male.

[nugnug]

depends on the light i suppose it really depends what view they had of him.

from a distasnce you can mistake a mans pjama top for a womans.

[susan]

nugnug I have read that because of the position Ralph was sat in the his hair made them think he was a female it fell forward and appeared to be long.

[Caroline]

The only other explanation put forward for the log referring to a female (prior to when the police investigated the main bedroom) is that Nevill's body was mistaken for that of a female. As Nevill was wearing a man's pyjama jacket, how could he have been positioned for it to be possible that he was mistaken for a female? As the kitchen light was on, the area in front of the Aga would have been clearly visible. The logged times indicate that raid team officers entered the kitchen just minutes after the raid started. No mention is made of any of them immediately realizing or being told that what was expected to be a female was in fact a male.

So women don't wear PJ's? 

[Reader]

We are told that Pc Collins went up to the kitchen window and looked in, so the whole interior of the kitchen was nearby. Various officers stated that the kitchen light was on, so visibility would have been very good.