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« Reply #180 on: September 19, 2014, 12:14:PM »
What document/evidence/statement is this based on?






No document/evidence or statement----------just common sense.

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« Reply #181 on: September 19, 2014, 12:16:PM »
But what makes you say there was a call at all?

The phone was found off the hook when police entered.  That alone explains why Jeremy and police would get a busy signal if trying to call.





Do you know how long the phone was off the hook ??

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« Reply #182 on: September 19, 2014, 12:20:PM »
No, he couldn't have taken any further information after Jeremy's call ended (which is the period of time I asked about). He apparently got the information about the guns present at WHF before telephoning Bonnett, as the information is in Bonnett's log. Pc West might have added some notes to his log after Jeremy's call ended, but that wouldn't have taken long.
You can't consistently have no idea and simultaneously rule out one possibility.

You're asking questions that no one can possibly give you an answer to because it's not documented. You're hiding behind undocumented speculation simply to hammer home a notion of a conspiracy. However, the documented evidence along with the OS willingness to completely change the call time of Jeremy's original claim of 03:10 to 03:36 completely makes a mockery out of the idea that Neville called at all.

Consistently? All of your questions have been answered that relate to the evidence but I can't and won't speculate on something I can have no knowledge of you, but by the same token, you don't know either  :-\
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« Reply #183 on: September 19, 2014, 05:00:PM »
As anyone can discover by trying it, it's not easy at all.

It is breathtakingly simple but again a complete waste of time because doing so serves no purpose. 


Not so. For example, the statements of the police officers in car CA07 say they were contacted well before 3:35, and that they departed at 03:35.
In Bonnett's log, cars CA05 and CA07 departed at about the same time as Jeremy's call (as timed by Pc West). They were sent earlier as a result of Nevill's call.

West phoned Bonnett at 3:26 to tell him about Jeremy's call.  That means Jeremy called West prior to 3:26.  The car was not sent till 3:35. Jeremy was put on hold for what he described at least 5 minutes though it seemed like a lot longer.   What were they doing during those minutes he was on hold?  Relaying all the things Jeremy stated and then figuring out what police station covered the area and
subsequently contacted police to be sent.

Your claim that police say they were contacted earlier than 3:35 is misleading because the only cop who provided a time was Saxby and he said around 3:30 he was not sure of the exact time. So he didn't dispoute it could have been 3:35.  In the meantime about 3:30 is severla minutes after West had already contacted Bonnett regarding Jeremy's call. Your games are getting old and not gaining any traction.

The police clearly stated they were told about Jeremy's call, told he was going to meet them there and said they were dispatched for that reason not dispatched because Nevill phoned police:



He didn't ask for all the same information again. Jeremy's assertion that Nevill had called him was new information. Much of the information was given by Jeremy before Pc West asked him for fine detail.
If Nevill didn't mention Jeremy, Pc West wouldn't already know Jeremy's name, address or telephone number. It turned out that Jeremy apparently gave a different age for Sheila. Also, Jeremy used the word "crazy" whereas Nevill had used the word "berserk". Jeremy was giving new information, not just repeating Nevill's call.

Your desperation is showing.  You keep trying to distort but I am not going to let you get away with it.

You are the one who made such a big deal about the different ages listed on both accounts for Sheila.  Nevill already had given her name and age allegedly.  So too would he have given his address and phone number.  Nevill also would have been asked who was at WHF and how many guns were there and so forth.  This is the information that ther eowuld have been no reason to ask Jeremy for though West did ask for such infromation.  You are trying to distprt by brining up Jeremy's address being taken down though that is a red herring.  The point was that West would have had no reason to ask for all the information about WHF and Jeremy's family had Nevill called.

West testified that he asked Jeremy to provide such information.  Your suggestion that Jeremy just blurted out Sheila's age, name, who was at WHF the phone number and address is just silly.  The more you post like this the less you look like someone genuinely extremely confused and more like someone actively trying to distort.

They did dispatch cars as a result of Nevill's call - CA07 and CA05. It's likely that Bonnett did the despatching.

The statements of the officers in car CA07 confirm they were contacted at about 3:30, 6 minutes before Jeremy's call, and that they subsequently departed at about 3:35, also before Jeremy's call.

Well that establishes your dishonest efforts in full.  The police officers say they were told to respond because jeremy received a call from Nevill not because police received a call from Nevill.  You intentionally ignore this and ignore that Jeremy called prior to 3:26 because at 3:26 West called Bonnett to notify him of Jeremy's call. 

Not even West suggests that he received the call from Jeremy at 3:36.  He admitted he either made the mistake of logging it at the end or somehow misread the time.  Had Jeremy called at 3:36 and remained on the phone for 7-10 minutes like he claimed then he coudl nto have arrived at WHF until well after police and police could not have passed him.  Worse yet he certianly should have been able to remember that he rushed out of the house upon getting off the phone with police and thus could not have called Julie right after.

Your games just demonstrate a lack of candor on your part and harm your credibility.

That's true. I didn't say Pc West thought about that specific possibility. As Jeremy was calm, Pc West concentrated on responding to the call. Mentioning Nevill's call wasn't necessary.

Mentioning his call was necessary it not only would have made Jeremy feel better to know his father was still alive at the phone being disconnected and it would have saved time by not needing to record things from jeremy tha thad already been obtained. 

You still have not explained what your comment meant if you were not trying to suggest they didn't tell him because they might never want to tell him in case they wanted to blame him.  The only way to read that is that they refused to tell him that way if they wanted to blame him then he would not be able to use the call from Nevill to police prove that Nevill called Jeremy and thus to deny Jeremy a valid alibi.

You have been challenged to explain what else it could mean but you can't because that is in fact what you suggested.  You just know it is stupid so don't want to admit it.


"Although Jeremy seemed straightforward, West couldn't know that he wouldn't later be accused of having hired someone to go to WHF and kill his family. There was no pressing need to tell him anything about Nevill's call"

You clearly suggested that West wanted to keep it from Jeremy in case they wanted to accuse him of involvement later so they could conceal the call ever happened and thus deny Jeremy an alibi.

Then for good measure you added the bogus claim that it saved time when in fact taking down information again in order to conceal Nevill's call resulted in needless extra time.  It took extra time to take down Sheila's name and age again, it took extra time to take down the address and phone number of WHF again it took extra time...

With the exception of people biased in favor of Jeremy who are willing to distort to try to find a way to pretend Jeremy is innocent there is no one who would claim after reviewing all the pertinent evidence that a phone call was made by Nevill to police. 

You have no evidence of such a call and no arguments that make sense which is why you resort to attempting to distort in an effort to try to pretend your claims are plausible though they are not.  You are so desperate now you are claiming Jeremy called West at 3:36 though that would mean the call ended 3:45 leaving no time to have his car overtaken by police, they would have beat him there.

Worse you ignore the police themselves state they were dispatched to go there because Jeremy phoned police not Nevill and even were told he would meet them there.   You also absurdely suggest that West and Bonnett never were asked about receiving a call from Nevill so never denied it and had they been asked woudl have referenced such a call though such a call is not referenced anywhere in their notebooks like would be the case had he called and their statements make clear they put Jeremy on hold in order to find out what police covered the area of WHF to arrange cars to be sent.  You ignore all the evidence and just twist and make things up to try to suit your agenda.

This issue is a microcosm of efforts by those asserting Jeremy is innocent.  These type of games are done on every single issues.

When such nonsense is stripped away it is obvious that those asserting Jerem yis innocent have no evidence and no good arguments just blind faith but don't want to admit they are operating on blind faith and/or realize they are not going to persuade others with blind faith so result to distortion.

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« Reply #184 on: September 19, 2014, 05:03:PM »
Why is so much of the thread missing?  There were a lot of substantive posts that vanished while I was responding to something reader wrote. 

Also why is Caroline just a guest now?
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« Reply #185 on: September 19, 2014, 05:10:PM »
Why is so much of the thread missing?  There were a lot of substantive posts that vanished while I was responding to something reader wrote. 

Also why is Caroline just a guest now?

I do not think any substantive posts (i.e. those relating to the subject matter of this thread) have been removed.  If any have been please let me know and I will try to reinstate them.

Caroline has left the forum.

 

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« Reply #186 on: September 19, 2014, 05:18:PM »
I do not think any substantive posts (i.e. those relating to the subject matter of this thread) have been removed.  If any have been please let me know and I will try to reinstate them.

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« Reply #187 on: September 19, 2014, 05:20:PM »
I do not think any substantive posts (i.e. those relating to the subject matter of this thread) have been removed.  If any have been please let me know and I will try to reinstate them.

Caroline has left the forum.

The post from reder I responded to is gone and so are a number preceding it.

I always keep 2 windows up so I can cut and paste from one while responding in the other.

The window starts with a post by reader Yesterday at 10:06 PM

features a reply by me:

Yesterday at 10:43 PM »

then another from reader: Today at 01:20 AM

a reply by me  Today at 02:45 AM »

and finally a reply by reader Today at 04:01 AM  which is the one I just responded to

I don't have the prior page on my screen so can't see if anything prior was erased.   But without readers 4:01AM post up it looks like I just made up the quotes attributed to him so at least please restore that one. 

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« Reply #188 on: September 19, 2014, 05:30:PM »
The post from reder I responded to is gone and so are a number preceding it.

I always keep 2 windows up so I can cut and paste from one while responding in the other.

The window starts with a post by reader Yesterday at 10:06 PM

features a reply by me:

Yesterday at 10:43 PM »

then another from reader: Today at 01:20 AM

a reply by me  Today at 02:45 AM »

and finally a reply by reader Today at 04:01 AM  which is the one I just responded to

I don't have the prior page on my screen so can't see if anything prior was erased.   But without readers 4:01AM post up it looks like I just made up the quotes attributed to him so at least please restore that one.

I will have a look.


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« Reply #189 on: September 19, 2014, 05:37:PM »
I will have a look.

They are all still there.  There may have been a few seconds when the thread itself disappeared when I was splitted certain posts out.


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« Reply #190 on: September 19, 2014, 06:00:PM »
They are all still there.  There may have been a few seconds when the thread itself disappeared when I was splitted certain posts out.

Yes that explains it.  There wa snothing after the 15th but now that is back plus more.  I can see some of went on now that seems to have led up to Caroline leaving.

I do not understand why peopel don't leave their acocunts intact though in case they ever want to return.  If one wants to walk away and not post they can do so without having to delete their account.

I had some heated debates with her over the moderator evidence but still it is sad to see her go.

It seems that all that can be discussed has been discussed so many times that people are burned out on the subject and unless new things crop up to talk about probably will see more drop off.
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« Reply #191 on: September 19, 2014, 06:06:PM »
Yes that explains it.  There wa snothing after the 15th but now that is back plus more.  I can see some of went on now that seems to have led up to Caroline leaving.

I do not understand why peopel don't leave their acocunts intact though in case they ever want to return.  If one wants to walk away and not post they can do so without having to delete their account.

I had some heated debates with her over the moderator evidence but still it is sad to see her go.

It seems that all that can be discussed has been discussed so many times that people are burned out on the subject and unless new things crop up to talk about probably will see more drop off.

Usually you can't just leave, you need an admin to authorise the deletion. That is how it used to be anyway, perhaps it's changed again.


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« Reply #192 on: September 19, 2014, 06:12:PM »
Yes that explains it.  There wa snothing after the 15th but now that is back plus more.  I can see some of went on now that seems to have led up to Caroline leaving.

I do not understand why peopel don't leave their acocunts intact though in case they ever want to return.  If one wants to walk away and not post they can do so without having to delete their account
.

I had some heated debates with her over the moderator evidence but still it is sad to see her go.

It seems that all that can be discussed has been discussed so many times that people are burned out on the subject and unless new things crop up to talk about probably will see more drop off.
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« Reply #193 on: September 19, 2014, 06:15:PM »
Usually you can't just leave, you need an admin to authorise the deletion. That is how it used to be anyway, perhaps it's changed again.

It is still the same.


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« Reply #194 on: September 19, 2014, 08:02:PM »
It is breathtakingly simple but again a complete waste of time because doing so serves no purpose. 


West phoned Bonnett at 3:26 to tell him about Jeremy's call.  That means Jeremy called West prior to 3:26.  The car was not sent till 3:35. Jeremy was put on hold for what he described at least 5 minutes though it seemed like a lot longer.   What were they doing during those minutes he was on hold?  Relaying all the things Jeremy stated and then figuring out what police station covered the area and
subsequently contacted police to be sent.

Your claim that police say they were contacted earlier than 3:35 is misleading because the only cop who provided a time was Saxby and he said around 3:30 he was not sure of the exact time. So he didn't dispoute it could have been 3:35.  In the meantime about 3:30 is severla minutes after West had already contacted Bonnett regarding Jeremy's call. Your games are getting old and not gaining any traction.

The police clearly stated they were told about Jeremy's call, told he was going to meet them there and said they were dispatched for that reason not dispatched because Nevill phoned police:



Your desperation is showing.  You keep trying to distort but I am not going to let you get away with it.

You are the one who made such a big deal about the different ages listed on both accounts for Sheila.  Nevill already had given her name and age allegedly.  So too would he have given his address and phone number.  Nevill also would have been asked who was at WHF and how many guns were there and so forth.  This is the information that ther eowuld have been no reason to ask Jeremy for though West did ask for such infromation.  You are trying to distprt by brining up Jeremy's address being taken down though that is a red herring.  The point was that West would have had no reason to ask for all the information about WHF and Jeremy's family had Nevill called.

West testified that he asked Jeremy to provide such information.  Your suggestion that Jeremy just blurted out Sheila's age, name, who was at WHF the phone number and address is just silly.  The more you post like this the less you look like someone genuinely extremely confused and more like someone actively trying to distort.

Well that establishes your dishonest efforts in full.  The police officers say they were told to respond because jeremy received a call from Nevill not because police received a call from Nevill.  You intentionally ignore this and ignore that Jeremy called prior to 3:26 because at 3:26 West called Bonnett to notify him of Jeremy's call. 

Not even West suggests that he received the call from Jeremy at 3:36.  He admitted he either made the mistake of logging it at the end or somehow misread the time.  Had Jeremy called at 3:36 and remained on the phone for 7-10 minutes like he claimed then he coudl nto have arrived at WHF until well after police and police could not have passed him.  Worse yet he certianly should have been able to remember that he rushed out of the house upon getting off the phone with police and thus could not have called Julie right after.

Your games just demonstrate a lack of candor on your part and harm your credibility.

Mentioning his call was necessary it not only would have made Jeremy feel better to know his father was still alive at the phone being disconnected and it would have saved time by not needing to record things from jeremy tha thad already been obtained. 

You still have not explained what your comment meant if you were not trying to suggest they didn't tell him because they might never want to tell him in case they wanted to blame him.  The only way to read that is that they refused to tell him that way if they wanted to blame him then he would not be able to use the call from Nevill to police prove that Nevill called Jeremy and thus to deny Jeremy a valid alibi.

You have been challenged to explain what else it could mean but you can't because that is in fact what you suggested.  You just know it is stupid so don't want to admit it.


"Although Jeremy seemed straightforward, West couldn't know that he wouldn't later be accused of having hired someone to go to WHF and kill his family. There was no pressing need to tell him anything about Nevill's call"

You clearly suggested that West wanted to keep it from Jeremy in case they wanted to accuse him of involvement later so they could conceal the call ever happened and thus deny Jeremy an alibi.

Then for good measure you added the bogus claim that it saved time when in fact taking down information again in order to conceal Nevill's call resulted in needless extra time.  It took extra time to take down Sheila's name and age again, it took extra time to take down the address and phone number of WHF again it took extra time...

With the exception of people biased in favor of Jeremy who are willing to distort to try to find a way to pretend Jeremy is innocent there is no one who would claim after reviewing all the pertinent evidence that a phone call was made by Nevill to police. 

You have no evidence of such a call and no arguments that make sense which is why you resort to attempting to distort in an effort to try to pretend your claims are plausible though they are not.  You are so desperate now you are claiming Jeremy called West at 3:36 though that would mean the call ended 3:45 leaving no time to have his car overtaken by police, they would have beat him there.

Worse you ignore the police themselves state they were dispatched to go there because Jeremy phoned police not Nevill and even were told he would meet them there.   You also absurdely suggest that West and Bonnett never were asked about receiving a call from Nevill so never denied it and had they been asked woudl have referenced such a call though such a call is not referenced anywhere in their notebooks like would be the case had he called and their statements make clear they put Jeremy on hold in order to find out what police covered the area of WHF to arrange cars to be sent.  You ignore all the evidence and just twist and make things up to try to suit your agenda.

This issue is a microcosm of efforts by those asserting Jeremy is innocent.  These type of games are done on every single issues.

When such nonsense is stripped away it is obvious that those asserting Jerem yis innocent have no evidence and no good arguments just blind faith but don't want to admit they are operating on blind faith and/or realize they are not going to persuade others with blind faith so result to distortion.

In Cracknells statement he was alerted at 3:33 does this help????