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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #135 on: September 14, 2014, 09:27:PM »
Writing the time doesn't take long. What else did he do? There's a lot of time to account for prior to the line check at 3:42am. Also, A/Ps Smith wouldn't have been relying on minor inaccuracies when he said the control room clock was often inaccurate, so why did he give that misleading information?

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« Reply #136 on: September 15, 2014, 10:15:PM »
If Nevill hadn't call EP, what exactly could Pc West have said to Malcolm Bonnett?

If only Jeremy called Pc West, what did Pc West do after that call finished?

Nobody has given plausible answers to those questions.

PC West told Bonnett what Jeremy told him.  This has been stated again and again so your claim no plausible answer has been set forth is mind boggling. 

You are the one unable to come up with anything plausible as to why West would ask Jeremy from the same exact information he would have already have obtained from Nevill and why he would nto dispatch any police in response to Nevill's call.

You suggestion that he did so in case they would later want to pretend the call from Nevill never occurred to frame Jermey is not plausible it is absurd.   
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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #137 on: September 15, 2014, 11:59:PM »
Writing the time doesn't take long. What else did he do? There's a lot of time to account for prior to the line check at 3:42am. Also, A/Ps Smith wouldn't have been relying on minor inaccuracies when he said the control room clock was often inaccurate, so why did he give that misleading information?

He took further information about guns on the premises and then had the line checked - nothing weird there. I have no idea why Smith said the clock was often inaccurate  but not because Neville called.
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« Reply #138 on: September 16, 2014, 12:11:AM »
He took further information about guns on the premises and then had the line checked - nothing weird there. I have no idea why Smith said the clock was often inaccurate  but not because Neville called.

The simple fact the WHF line was checked is proof that Jeremy alone called.  If Nevill had phoned police after phoning Jeremy that would mean that Neville used the phone after phoning Jeremy and the poilice would be aware of that.  There would be no need to check the line to see if Jeremy was correct about the line being busy. 

Note that while 6 people voted yes not one has put forth a reasonable basis for their position.  It appears that only those who are Jeremy zealots assert Nevill phoned police and only do so because they are Jeremy zealots.   
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« Reply #139 on: September 16, 2014, 12:22:AM »
The simple fact the WHF line was checked is proof that Jeremy alone called.  If Nevill had phoned police after phoning Jeremy that would mean that Neville used the phone after phoning Jeremy and the poilice would be aware of that.  There would be no need to check the line to see if Jeremy was correct about the line being busy. 

Note that while 6 people voted yes not one has put forth a reasonable basis for their position.  It appears that only those who are Jeremy zealots assert Nevill phoned police and only do so because they are Jeremy zealots.

It's common sense to me - none of it adds up. Some people seem to have a personal agenda which I don't understand, it's like they don't care about the 'truth'. It's more than clear that Neville didn't call the police.
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« Reply #140 on: September 16, 2014, 12:33:AM »
It's common sense to me - none of it adds up. Some people seem to have a personal agenda which I don't understand, it's like they don't care about the 'truth'. It's more than clear that Neville didn't call the police.

Some seem to have an agenda against the police and want to use this as part of a larger cause and/or to be part of a cause and thus have a vested interest in Jeremy being innocent and will use anything to make such appear to be the case.

Others it is more difficult to figure out what is driving them.

 
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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #141 on: September 16, 2014, 12:01:PM »
Some seem to have an agenda against the police and want to use this as part of a larger cause and/or to be part of a cause and thus have a vested interest in Jeremy being innocent and will use anything to make such appear to be the case.

Others it is more difficult to figure out what is driving them.

Who are some?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion like you are entitled to yours. Which opinion is correct depends upon how they project their reasons behind their opinion.  This is what a forum is for to debate the issues surrounding the points of interest that remain unclear.  No one is perfect and not all use the evidence correctly to argue their point and in stead use comments from books that sell to make a profit which is unsafe when discussing points of interest. IMO  :) :)

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« Reply #142 on: September 16, 2014, 12:20:PM »
Some seem to have an agenda against the police and want to use this as part of a larger cause and/or to be part of a cause and thus have a vested interest in Jeremy being innocent and will use anything to make such appear to be the case.

Others it is more difficult to figure out what is driving them.

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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #143 on: September 16, 2014, 12:30:PM »
Some seem to have an agenda against the police and want to use this as part of a larger cause and/or to be part of a cause and thus have a vested interest in Jeremy being innocent and will use anything to make such appear to be the case.

Others it is more difficult to figure out what is driving them.

theres plenty of cases to choose from if you have agenda agiasnt the police this one isnt that important

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« Reply #144 on: September 16, 2014, 01:36:PM »
Speaking of vested interests--------------------------------------

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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #145 on: September 16, 2014, 03:18:PM »
if you want to take hundreds of case i can find so proving jeremy innocent is not really necasry to take a pop at the police.

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« Reply #146 on: September 16, 2014, 05:12:PM »
Who are some?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion like you are entitled to yours. Which opinion is correct depends upon how they project their reasons behind their opinion.  This is what a forum is for to debate the issues surrounding the points of interest that remain unclear.  No one is perfect and not all use the evidence correctly to argue their point and in stead use comments from books that sell to make a profit which is unsafe when discussing points of interest. IMO  :) :)

I don't think naming names is necessary.

You are quite correct that the reasoning behind an opinion is key in determining whether it is accurate.   That was my point, that none of the 6 who voted to say Nevill made a phone call have been able to present any sound reasoning behind their opinion.  They want to believe Jeremy is innocent so believe a call from Nevill was made because such call would support their desired belief in his innocence.  There is nothing more than that behind their assertion.

Lookout even said she didn't believe there was a call because it made no sense but upon understanding it helps Jeremy so much she changed her mind.  That says volumes.
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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #147 on: September 16, 2014, 06:17:PM »
Don't talk such bilge.You act like a spoiled brat ! You don't know what my thoughts are,unless you've studied that as well.

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« Reply #148 on: September 16, 2014, 07:58:PM »
Don't talk such bilge.You act like a spoiled brat ! You don't know what my thoughts are,unless you've studied that as well.

I can only go by what you write.

You said that it made no sense to call both Jeremy and police it only would make sense to phone one or the other for help.  You suggested he on'y called Jeremy and said what is the big deal if he never called Nevill.   

After the significance of Nevill calling was explained you said that you believe Nevill called both depsite your earlier claim such made no sense.

It is up to you to reconcile your posts.  I am not a mindreader.
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« Reply #149 on: September 17, 2014, 09:53:PM »
From the Jeremy Bamber Website:

"Jeremy has always claimed that his father called him before calling the police, and then he, in turn, also called the police"

This claim is clearly bogus.  Jeremy never claimed prior to or even during the trial his father called police.  The defense maintianed that Nevill was a private man and that is why he called Jeremy instead of police.

Why do they start the issue out with such a bogus claim that alone harms the crediblity of the claims.

Next there is this:

"Nevill Bamber did indeed call the police during the early hours of 7 August 1985 – view the police transcript of Nevill's call here and the transcript of Jeremy's call here.   As you can see, there are two phone logs showing clearly that two separate phone calls were made.  Yet, at the trial in 1986, the members of the jury were led to believe that only one call was made . . . by Jeremy."

At trial they were not led to believe that both logs reflected the same call.  Bonnett's log was indicating West's call while West's log details Jeremy's call.   The logs do indeed reflect 2 different calls and were always represented as doing so.  The Campaign team is misrepresented that Bonnett's log reflects a call from Nevill to Bonnett when in fact it represents a call from West to Bonnett.

Here is another fairytale invention demonstrating the campaign tema is simply being dishonest:

"In the log relating to Nevill’s call, the sentence which confuses people is ‘message passed to CD by son of Mr Bamber after the phone went dead, Mr Bamber has a collection of shotguns and .410’s’.   
 
This statement has misled some into believing (a) that this log refers to the call made by Jeremy, not Nevill, and also (b) that Jeremy mentioned ‘shotguns and .410s’ during the call.  However, in the call made by Jeremy, there was no word in the log of him mentioning which firearms were at White House Farm.
 
The sentence ‘message passed to CD by the son of Mr Bamber after the phone went dead. Mr Bamber has a collection of shotguns and .410’s’ was added to the log later on after the officer in car CA07 contacted headquarters by radio to explain that Nevill’s son had given PC Steve Myall a list of firearms[2] after officers met him outside the farmhouse."

West didn't writed own on his log about the shotguns but in his notes and testimony he noted he asked about the weapons in the house and which people were in the house.  There is nothign at all to support the claim that such was added later as a result of Myall calling in and the claim West never obtained such inforation is false.

This kind of dishonesty is what makes rational people doubt anything on the website.  Once people demonstrate a willingness to lie you don't trust them and worse people reaosn that if he was actually innocent there would be no reason to lie.  So instead of helping Jeremy this kind of thing hurts.
 
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